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Thread: Army Says 12 dead, 31 Injured at Fort Hood; Shooters Were US Soldiers

  1. #21

    Lieberman calls Ft. Hood shooting ‘terrorist attack’

    David Edwards
    Raw Story
    Monday, Nov 9th, 2009

    Homeland Security Chairman Sen. Joe Lieberman told Fox News’ Chris Wallace that he wants the Department of Defense to launch an investigation into the shooting rampage at Ft. Hood. Lieberman said evidence indicates that Major Nidal Malik Hasan was probably a “self-radicalized, homegrown terrorist.”

    The New York Times reports, however, that investigators have tentatively concluded it was not part of a terrorist plot.

    “If the reports that we’re receiving of various statements he made, acts he took, are valid, he had turned to Islamist extremism, and, therefore, if that is true, the murder of these 13 people was a terrorist act and, in fact, it was the most destructive terrorist act to be committed on American soil since 9/11,” Lieberman said Sunday.

    According to this morning’s New York Times, investigators have not ruled out the possibility Major Hassan “believed he was carrying out an extremist’s suicide mission,” but so far they have no evidence he was directed into violence or “ever traveled overseas to meet with extremist groups.”

    Lieberman wants the Department of Defense to conduct a special investigation to see if the shootings could have been predicted. “While the Army and the FBI are conducting the criminal investigation about exactly what happened and what Dr. Hasan should be charged with, the U.S. Army, the Department of Defense has a real obligation to convene an independent investigation to go back and look at whether warning signs were missed, both the stress he was under, but also the statements that he was making,” he said.

    Homeland Security Chairman Sen. Joe Lieberman told Fox News’ Chris Wallace that he wants the Department of Defense to launch an investigation into the shooting rampage at Ft. Hood. Lieberman said evidence indicates that Major Nidal Malik Hasan was probably a “self-radicalized, homegrown terrorist.”

    The New York Times reports, however, that investigators have tentatively concluded it was not part of a terrorist plot.

    “If the reports that we’re receiving of various statements he made, acts he took, are valid, he had turned to Islamist extremism, and, therefore, if that is true, the murder of these 13 people was a terrorist act and, in fact, it was the most destructive terrorist act to be committed on American soil since 9/11,” Lieberman said Sunday.

    According to this morning’s New York Times, investigators have not ruled out the possibility Major Hassan “believed he was carrying out an extremist’s suicide mission,” but so far they have no evidence he was directed into violence or “ever traveled overseas to meet with extremist groups.”

    Lieberman wants the Department of Defense to conduct a special investigation to see if the shootings could have been predicted. “While the Army and the FBI are conducting the criminal investigation about exactly what happened and what Dr. Hasan should be charged with, the U.S. Army, the Department of Defense has a real obligation to convene an independent investigation to go back and look at whether warning signs were missed, both the stress he was under, but also the statements that he was making,” he said.





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  2. #22

    Fort Hood shooting suspect conscious, talking, hospital says

    CNN
    November 9, 2009

    Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspect in last week’s Fort Hood mass shooting, is conscious and talking, a spokesman for the Army hospital where he is being treated told CNN on Monday.

    The development comes a day after Army investigators asked troops and civilians for help gathering clues about Thursday’s shooting, saying some who fled the gunfire might have evidence.

    “The Fort Hood office of the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command is seeking any military or civilian personnel who may have left the scene … with gunshot damage such as damaged privately owned vehicles, personnel clothing, etc.,” investigators said in a written statement. “CID is also seeking any military or civilian personnel who may have inadvertently left the scene of this incident with material that could be used as firearms residue related evidence such as shell casings inside the boot, etc.”

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  3. #23

    Fort Hood Vendetta

    Kevin Hayden
    Truth is Treason
    November 9, 2009

    By now, you’ve heard about the mass shooting at the Ft. Hood Army Base in Texas on the 5th of November.* Like you, when I first heard about it, my imagination went into overdrive.* Was it a terrorist event?* Could it have actually been a U.S. soldier that committed this crime?* Was the base security breached by outsiders intent on inflicting as much damage as possible?* These were my initial thoughts, but then my brain went into 2nd gear and I realized it was November the 5th.* This day holds a special meaning to several people, especially those who are involved with the ‘Liberty Movement’ and Tea Parties or fans of the movie ‘V for Vendetta’.

    You might recall the 5th of November was when Guy Fawkes [and others] attempted to blow up Parliament in the Gunpowder Plot of 1605.* Their goal was to displace Protestant rule by blowing up the Houses of Parliament while King James I and the entire Protestant, and even most of the Catholic, aristocracy and nobility were inside. The conspirators saw this as a necessary reaction to the systematic discrimination against English Catholics.* The blockbuster hit ‘V for Vendetta’ used this bit of history to base their character, V, on.* He believed that the system had come to a point where the corruption was so rampant, the greed so intolerable, and the lies so outrageous that there was no easy way to fix it and return to a free and just society.* In an effort to destroy the dictatorship, he blows up political landmarks in spectacular fashion and is labeled a terrorist by the government.

    Ultimately, he is able to awaken the masses which converge on Parliament the night of November 5th to protest, and even die if necessary, to re-establish a just society based on the rule of law and personal freedom.* To a large degree, this can be compared to the Tea Parties happening across the country.* A rather massive percentage of people from all political viewpoints and cultures are coming together on the steps of their capitals, protesting at Town Halls, and even pulling off a Million Man march on D.C.

    Many government agencies, both State and Federal do not like this.* They have employed Stasi-like policies and ‘fusion centers’ to disseminate information on “potential domestic terrorists.”* Chief among these terrorist profile indicators are Libertarian political ideals, being outspoken against the Federal Reserve’s wasteful and secretive monetary policies, or even attending a Tea party rally in support of personal freedom and independence.

    I’m reminded of Jeff Foxworthy’s jokes;

    “You might be a domestic terrorist if you love your country and want to keep your freedom.”

    “You just might be a terrorist if you voice your opinion in opposition of the mass media.”

    “You might be a right-wing extremist if you believe in property rights, sound monetary policies, and the 2nd amendment!”

    I could go on and on, but you get the point.* When I heard about the shootings at Ft. Hood, I couldn’t help but wonder; will this be turned into a media story about right wing extremists?* Was this a ‘domestic terrorist’?* Could it have been a false flag event in order to trump up the falling support for the war in Afghanistan?* Would it be blamed on Muslims to achieve the same?* **I’ve noticed over the last few years that the fear of Muslims has dramatically waned in our society (thankfully).* Once upon a time, anyone who was tan, brown, or had an Islamic name was automatically deemed a suicide bomber. *I feel as though that has begun to ease, so it wouldn’t surprise me if “the powers that be” used a crisis such as this to drum up hatred and fear of Muslims again.**And if you don’t think they would sink so low, many in the establishment have said time and time again, “We can’t let a good crisis go to waste!”

    It also*serves as a bit of evidence that our actions (as an American military force) have created a much more violent, fanatical base of*Islamics in the Middle East, including within our own military!

    Another avenue of thought occurred when more details were released about the situation and those involved.* It was discovered that most of the shootings had occurred in a processing unit where soldiers awaiting deployment receive medical screenings, briefings, etc.* Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan was named as the chief suspect, along with two other unnamed soldiers.* Major Malik Hasan is an Army psychiatrist and was recently promoted to the rank of Major.* Clearly, Malik Hasan is of Middle Eastern decent and is said to have been “very upset” with his recent deployment orders to Iraq.* Radio interviews claim that he had often argued with other soldiers about the role of the U.S. military in the Middle East and that he did not believe American forces had any right to occupy Afghanistan, Iraq, potentially Iran, and now Pakistan.

    Now, I could understand someone new or even a lower ranking soldier to potentially snap and go a bit crazy.* But to be able to wound or kill over 40 fellow soldiers?* To me, that shows one of two things; an amazing motivation and determination to complete the ‘mission’ no matter the cost OR a severe psychological problem.* If it is the first, I’m deeply saddened by the loss of life but at the same time, I must respect such dedication to a personal belief – no matter how tragic or insane some might label it.

    No matter how much a particular American feels as though we are the good guys and doing what’s right in the world, there is someone out there that feels the exact opposite on the other side.* There is that person out there that feels as though their guerilla insurgency represents defense… that they are protecting their land, culture, and lifestyle just as much as any American would defend his property against a Chinese Red Army invasion.* We don’t have to agree with ‘them’, whoever they may be.* We needn’t have to understand what drives them to that point.* All we must do is realize that if a foreign country invaded the United States because of the actions of a handful of citizens, we would all willfully defend our shorelines with the same passion and fervor as some in the Middle East.

    Now, if his actions were because of the second reason, a severe psychological problem, then that represents a whole slew of other problems that we must dissect.* First, being a psychiatrist, he has access to any prescription medication.* Secondly, we must discover if he was on any medication at the time of the shooting.* I am not trying to justify his actions by blaming it on a medication or that he shouldn’t be held responsible for it, but ultimately, this serves as another potential example of how prescription medication such as Wellbutrin, Risperdal, Ritalin, Zoloft and other anti-depressants (SSRI’s – Seratonin Re-uptake Inhibitors) can cause violent reactions and thoughts.

    Overall, there could be a million reasons why this tragedy occurred.* Hell, he might have been a brainwashed Manchurian-like killer set loose on the base to further someone’s political agenda.* He might have just had a bad day and decided to lock and load Full Metal Jacket style.

    We’ll never know the true motivation of Major Malik Hasan or why the 5th of November ended with so many souls bleeding camoflauge… but one thing is for sure; the mass media will spin it to fit someone’s agenda.* That’s their job.



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  4. #24

    Lieberman Suggests Army Shooter Was ?Home-Grown Terrorist?

    BRODY MULLINS
    The Wall Street Journal
    November 9, 2009

    A senior U.S. senator on Sunday said the shootings at Fort Hood could have been a terrorist attack, and that he would launch a congressional investigation into whether the U.S. military could have prevented it.

    Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who heads the Senate’s Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, said initial evidence suggested that the alleged shooter, Army Major Nidal Hasan, was a “self-radicalized, home-grown terrorist” who had turned to Islamic extremism while under personal stress.

    Mr. Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, had opened fire Thursday at a soldier processing center at Fort Hood, Tex., killing 13 and wounding 29 in the worst mass shooting on a military facility in the U.S.

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  5. #25

    Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS
    ABC News
    November 9, 2009

    U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

    It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

    One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan’s efforts.

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  6. #26

    Strip Club Visits Contradict Contrived Stereotype Of Fort Hood Shooter

    Just like the 9/11 patsy hijackers, Hasan had a non-Islamic fundamentalist taste for lap dancers and alcohol



    Paul Joseph Watson
    Prison Planet.com
    Monday, November 9, 2009

    Despite a desperate attempt on behalf of the establishment media to reinforce clichéd stereotypes to prop up the war on terror, by depicting the Fort Hood shooter as a devout Muslim fundamentalist, it turns out that just like the 9/11 pasty hijackers, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had a taste for the very much westernized sins of alcohol and strip clubs.

    Ever since last week’s tragedy at Fort Hood, the establishment has been straining at the leash to portray Hasan as a radical jihadist who harbored a hatred for America, a disdain for western culture, and a common ideology with Al-Qaeda, even going so far as to claim that Hasan attempted to contact Al-Qaeda, which wouldn’t be a surprise bearing in mind that Al-Qaeda is little more than the CIA’s Arab legion.

    Hasan’s description as a “devout Muslim, and one who had difficulty finding a wife who would wear a head scarf and would pray five times a day,” is contradicted by the revelation that Hasan was a frequent visitor at his local strip club, where he would drink alcohol and pay women to lap dance for him.

    “Hasan sat at a table in the back corner of the club, to the left of the stage on which strippers dance around a pole, employees said,” reports Fox News.

    “I remembered his face because it was the first lap dance I [gave] to a customer while working here,” said 31-year-old Jennifer Jenner. “When I saw his face [Friday] on TV, I jumped out of bed, I knew it was him.”

    “Jenner said Hasan was dressed casually both nights he came to the club – in jeans and a T-shirt the first night and then wearing a baseball cap the next. She recalled that he arrived at about 6:30 p.m. and stayed until 2 a.m,” according to the report.

    Hasan has been characterized as an “Islamic extremist” by all corners of the media since it emerged that he was upset about being deployed to Iraq. He is stereotyped in reports of being “a Muslim first and an American second,” and yet his behavior suggests the opposite.

    Hasan’s penchant for strip clubs, which would be seen as complete abomination by fundamentalist Muslims, mirrors exactly the behavior of the 9/11 hijackers in the months before 9/11.

    Many of the 9/11 hijackers not only frequented strip clubs and got regularly drunk, but they also purchased pornography, sex toys, gambled, and had sex with prostitutes. This type of behavior is consistent with these men being westernized Arabs who were being paid a lot of money to pose as fundamentalists, when in reality they spent their spare time indulging in activities that real fundamentalists would consider to be sins beyond repentance.

    As soon as it became known that the Fort Hood shooter had an “Arab-sounding name,” Hasan’s entire motivation for carrying out the massacre was dutifully “explained” by the media in double-quick time. His characterization as a devout fundamentalist Muslim exacting his own personal jihad was relentlessly pushed by the network news shows.

    However, as was also the case with the 7/7 bombing patsies who led westernized lives completely at odds with their portrayal by the media, Hasan’s strip club visits contradict the contrived notion that he was an Islamic fundamentalist seeking to inflict revenge upon the infidels at Fort Hood, since by the nature of his own behavior, Hasan was one of those very infidels.



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  7. #27

    Press TV talks to Alex Jones on Fort Hood shooting

    Press TV
    November 9, 2009

    Press TV’s Arash Zahedi talks to Alex Jones on Fort Hood shooting







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  8. #28

    Army general warns of anti-Muslim ?backlash?

    AFP
    November 9, 2009

    US army chief of staff George Casey has warned deadly shootings at Fort Hood could prompt a backlash against Muslim soldiers, undermining diversity needed to fight wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Mr Casey, speaking on CNN television, warned against guessing at the motives of Nidal Malik Hasan, who is alleged to have killed 13 people and wounded dozens more on a murderous rampage at the Texas military base on Thursday.

    Mr Casey, a former commander in Iraq, said he was “concerned that this increased speculation could cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers”.

    It has been suggested that US-born Hasan carried out the shootings as revenge for persecution about his Islamic faith at the hands of his comrades.

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  9. #29

    Government Determined to Connect Hasan and al-Qaeda

    Kurt Nimmo
    Infowars
    November 9, 2009

    The Nidal Malik Hasan as al-Qaeda pasty story grows larger and more absurd with each passing hour. Now it is said Hasan reached out to the phantom terrorist group and the U.S. Army knew about this but didn’t tell anybody.

    Can you say déjà vu? The story is beginning to look like a supplemental chapter in the 9/11 fairy tale.



    Surprise, surprise. Bill O’Reilly is out front on characterizing Hasan as an al-Qaeda miscreant. O’Reilly offers the standard caveat about protecting the civil liberties of Muslims.

    “Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S. intelligence community, only to be refused,” reports ABC News.

    “In response, Hoekstra issued a document preservation request to four intelligence agencies. The letter, dated November 7th, was sent to directors Dennis Blair (DNI), Robert Mueller (FBI), Lt. Gen Keith Alexander (NSA) and Leon Panetta (CIA).”

    Hoekstra is in a tizzy because “the house intel committee has been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan’s attempt to reach out to al Qaeda.”

    Mr. Hoekstra should of course realize the CIA does not answer to Congress or the American people.

    In order to build another fantastic prop for the GWOT — designed to last for decades, if not indefinitely — the government needs on occasion to cobble together fantastic yarns about demonic Muslims who hate us because of our freedoms (sic).

    If the imam Anwar al-Awlaki is not a CIA stooge, he may be auditioning for the position. ABC reports:

    In a blog posting early Monday titled “Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing,” Awlaki calls Hasan a “hero” and a “man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people.”
    Obviously, Mr. al-Awlaki is a psychopath who marvels over the prospect of dead infidels. He is either a CIA plant or a mental case. The two are usually mutually inclusive.

    In order to cast a lurid pall over the shootings, ABC and the Mockingbird corporate media are now characterizing the gun Hasan supposedly used as a “cop killer” weapon (a leading term as if there ever was one — almost any gun can kill a cop or anybody else for that matter).

    Major Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly packed a FN Herstal Five-seveN tactical pistol, which according to federal law enforcement officials, was legally purchased from the “Guns Galore” shop in Killeen, Texas in Aug. 2009. The store’s manager, David Cheadle, said that particular firearm can hold 20 rounds in a standard clip and take a ten round clip extension. Cheadle said with one clip and one round in the chamber, one could fire 31 rounds before reloading.
    Get ready for control freak Democrats to start calling for this particular gun and extended round magazines to be banned. In fact, they will call for all handguns to be banned and the hype surrounding the Fort Hood murders will certainly pump more hysteria into the gun-grabber movement.



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  10. #30

    Congressional Requests for Information From CIA On Hasan Refused

    cryptogon.com
    Tuesday, Nov 10th, 2009


    U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

    According to the officials, the Army was informed of Hasan’s contact, but it is unclear what, if anything, the Army did in response.

    Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S. intelligence community, only to be refused.

    In response, Hoekstra issued a document preservation request to four intelligence agencies. The letter, dated November 7th, was sent to directors Dennis Blair (DNI), Robert Mueller (FBI), Lt. Gen Keith Alexander (NSA) and Leon Panetta (CIA).

    Hoekstra said he is “absolutely furious” that the house intel committee has been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan’s attempt to reach out to al Qaeda, as first reported by ABC News.

    “This is a law enforcement investigation, in which other agencies—not the CIA—have the lead,” CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said in a response to ABC News. ” Any suggestion that the CIA refused to brief Congress is incorrect.”

    Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.

    In a blog posting early Monday titled “Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing,” Awlaki calls Hasan a “hero” and a “man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people.”

    According to his site, Awlaki served as an imam in Denver, San Diego and Falls Church, Virginia.

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