Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

Linda Brown

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I understand Orpheo that you may have incoming information that would be difficult to share here... but you did make a comment on the fact that we may indeed be dealing with OTHERS ( what my Dad called them) which might be divided into two groups. Those who are friendly toward us.... and those who don't give a rip.... I have been told that before, by Twigsnapper particularly. He seems to carry a great worry about the ones that don't have any regard for us getting what he calls the " upper hand" but I also get the impression that we haven't really had to deal with them yet and this is a great concern. Not much scares Mr. Twigsnapper I can tell you that.... but I think that the idea of us coming up against this other force makes him uncomfortable, deep down.

In your discussions have these other folks given you any kind of idea what they consider are the " other guys?" and are we still years away from having to deal with them... in the main...???? Linda
 

Catspaw56

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I know some where my dad went on his work trips. Douglas, Wy; Utica, NY; VA; San Antonio, TX; southern CA. He also went to Panama, and was scheduled to go to Antarctica, although that one was cancelled for him secondary to a heart murmur. There were also the trips to Warrensburg, MO. He was able to explain those after the Minuteman missile project was declassified. As far as Douglas,WY, it was the site of a Japanese interment camp or a POW camp in WWII. In any case, all the places I visited growing up, have some military or defense connection.

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Orpheo3

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Linda, I have become slowly aware that the OTHERS are very much here now and have been for some time. Furthermore, both kinds can be at work in the same institution or culture group. This is where dream work comes in as a way to tell the difference! Please press me on this.
 

Orpheo3

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Here is a repeat and continuation of the above post (since I didn't realize the editing process was time controlled):

Linda, your story about how and when your dad dictated his (patent-able) ideas reminds me of Joseph Smith's process of producing the 'Book of Mormon' and also the process of his subsequent revelations. Your story of your dad's process reminds me even more of Helen Schucman's 1965 process, which produced 'A Course in Miracles'. Ironically, the contrast of backgrounds between Smith and Schucman couldn't be more different. In the first case Smith was an unschooled farm boy seeking the "true Christian church"; in the second, Schucman was a highly educated Jewish female psychologist and atheist. Nevertheless, both were sincere seekers of truth who found themselves in vastly different eras and circumstances.

I'm unclear about the motivations of your dad, but I sense he too was a sincere seeker of truth. Unfortunately, he seems to have been caught in various webs of commercialism and political (military) intrigue.

Which brings me back to George Adamski and his stated motivation to serve humanity in terms of "a better understanding of our place in the universe." (Ref: Adamski's dedication in 'Flying Saucers Farewell') Joseph Smith founded an organization that has become exclusive and secretive. Helen Schucman founded another organization that is more inclusive and less secretive. In Adamski's 'Farewell' he spends a lot of time showing how UFOs are mentioned throughout the biblical record, hoping that his dedication would give us a greater perspective as human beings on this planet sincerely trying to make sense of our lives and collective purpose.

So my question to you (in light of the aforementioned legacies of Smith and Schucman) is: can you yet see a clear purpose to TTB's life work? And how does it allow us to achieve "a better understanding of our place in the universe"?
 

Linda Brown

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I have slowly begun to understand that Dad seems to have.... very conciously and with great forethought have embarked on an extremely well thought out plan to DELAY some knowledge that I know came to him. He did not do this himself.

I have come to an initial understanding that what he did.... he did for a very good reason though I have to admit I am not seeing the entire picture yet. Have we changed so much for the better that such technology can finally be brought to the surface? I am not sure what the actual answer to that is.

I know that FINALLY most people now do in fact believe in such things as UFOs and entities from other worlds... ( How could we dispute that when we ourselves have landed on Mars and have become that same thing?... from another planets perspective.... so it doesn't seem as wild and as impossible as that once seemed.... in the fifties.... And we are more understanding of the effort that it takes and the scientific hurdles that must be cleared to make such a wonderful accomplishment real.....so maybe we have stepped up to the next few ladder rungs.... but are we far enough?.. Have we learned to get along any better?. You will remember that was Adamskis greatest message.... Peace here.... Peace with the Brothers....

You asked what Dads role was in all of this and what I need to say is that I believe that he sacrificed alot to see us in a position where we had just a little more time to mature...I would like to believe that the time for that all to be disclosed is NOW... or very soon....we need to step up.... or its going to be a very long circle in the same old orbit. Linda.

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Linda Brown

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On another thread here on this forum Denise mentioned the deep underground facilities called DUMB
and of course the vibrations went out there to me... which led to this post that I have just put up on my Forum.... and I would like to share it here. This is too big a mystery for just a few people to try to unravel so I do invite anyone who is interested to take a look in this direction and just see what might come into your mind. Thanking you ahead of time for any responses and ideas that you might have.


The "tearful exchange" I mentioned here was in late September of 1985 I believe.....
The proposal that is mentioned was drafted the month before so this was an ongoing operation.

"by Linda Brown » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:47 pm

When I had that tearful exchange with Dad about his planned trip to San Antonio I was sure that he would not survive the trip. I even blurted out that I felt that he would die on the journey and that I would be forced to come and collect his body. Maybe that was a cheap shot but I was pretty upset with him. He was quietly packing his leather case with papers and files that went with him ( and never came back) and I guess I was pulling all the guilt trip cards I could muster. He didn't stop packing. He called for a cab to take him the short distance to the Heliport which was on Pebbly Beach.....I declared that "No Cabbie on Catalina" would give him a ride if I said NO..... Paul Schatzkin was so impressed with that statement that he named a whole chapter that in his book... or maybe it was the introduction....

In any case... I was upset... but it wasn't stopping my very ill father from packing these papers and preparing to leave for .... San Antonio... he said.

I wanted to go with him to help and make sure that he would be alright... he said that I couldn't go.

Finally he told me that everything would be alright and I stepped aside to let him get into that cab.....I truly believed that I would not see him again alive but the entire situation brought home with the force of a sledgehammer that whatever he was doing....and his reasoning behind what he was doing.... by far overshadowed what we meant to him as a family. We came SECOND.... and to me at the time .... that was a bitter pill... I had raged at him that he actually OWED Mother and me.... we had stuck by him .... through some desperately difficult and heart rending times.... He owed it to us... I cried... to not go... not put himself at such a terrible risk... to stay with us where he was safe.....He still stepped into that cab and I stepped away... told him I loved him ... and let him go....

And the question still remains..... why San Antonio....

I " happened to find this in the townsendbrown.com archives..... Its a proposal for work to be done

Library - Petrovoltaics

A Proposal for

Investigation of the Self-Potential Measured
For Isolated Rock Samples
(Return to Index Page)

Submitted to:

The Townsend Brown Foundation
P.O. Box 1565
Avalon, CA 90704

Prepared by:

Bob M. Duff
Institute Scientist

Approved:

Thomas E. Owen, Director
Department of Geosciences

Southwest Research Institute
San Antonio, HoustonCopyrighted © by The Townsend Brown family. All rights reserved.

Its an interesting proposal from them..... note the dates..... August 1985

And note the kinds of work they also were known for.....................

The Department of Geosciences is organized to explore and develop advanced concepts and methodology in geophysical and geosciences applications and to demonstrate those techniques and instrumentation in practical field studies. The principal technical applications of this work involve borehole geophysical probes, high-resolution seismic and electrical exploration methods and equipment, ground-penetrating electromagnetic and radar techniques, and environmental monitoring-instrumentation. In addition to these developments, geophysical applications and demonstration tests are being performed in probing both wet and dry boreholes for formation fracture conditions, detecting geologic anomalies in coal seams and mine roof structures, surface surveys to map man-made tunnels and abandoned mines, and collection of baseline environmental climatic data at nuclear waste repository field sites. Recently completed projects in Geosciences have included seismic methods for emergency mine communications, detection and delineation of soil sinkholes and ground subsidence anomalies, experimental analysis of electromagnetic parameters of oil shale, development of harmonic radar systems, military intrusion detectors, and remote battlefield sensors.

Please be advised that this document is copyrighted © by The Townsend Brown family. All rights reserved. Please see Legal and Copyright Information for additional copyright information.

Dad came home from his visit to San Antonio after about ten days. He never said a word about what happened there or why it was so important to go in that direction. He died just a few days later after itemizing his remaining notebooks and pulling the plug on most of the other recorders.

I never heard anything more from SRI in San Antonio. Linda
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Linda Brown

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There was another response to CAT which I would like to add to this because it sheds light on another facet of this situation.....


again... from this link

• View topic - WHY SAN ANTONIO?


"But look how oddly that proposal is typed
San Antonio, Houston

Now thats right from their proposal... was that just a mistake?
Did they mean to write San Antonio, Houston.

As in..... a joint venture????

And of course... there is Cape San Antonio on the tip of Cuba....jutting out toward the Yucatan Pennisula..... Dad had spents months and months years earlier taking mysterious trips to that location....and Mr. Twigsnapper and " Morgan" have pointed without saying much.... about the Russian Trawlers that have been ghosting about in that area.... and how strange it was that in the thirties the Caroline seemed to concentrate her studies in those waters..... If there is something going on there.... its so damned big its not going to be easy to uncover.... and all we may get is just a glimpse....

But hell, why not. I was going to ask you about your Dad and San Antonio Cat.... what years? Get out that map...we are going to need it. Linda
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"Recently completed projects in Geosciences have included seismic methods for emergency mine communications, detection and delineation of soil sinkholes and ground subsidence anomalies, experimental analysis of electromagnetic parameters of oil shale, development of harmonic radar systems, military intrusion detectors, and remote battlefield sensors.

as in DUMB operations? Remember that this was written in 1985.

And since people are probably going HUH???? What does this have to do with Townsend Brown??? Just do a little snooping for yourself.... google.... mining...electrohydrodynamic mining operations.... Bill Lear.....???? and tell me what you come up with. I will do the same and post the results here. Linda
 

Linda Brown

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Of course you can all discount all of what I have written here....because... perhaps I am not actually Townsend Browns daughter as those from the Pegasus Forum tried to say. Anyone wonder WHY they would go to so much trouble to discount me? Because I have the ability to ask questions that they don't want answered.

By the way Pimander. Where did you go? Speaking of " Patches" on that DUMB thread..... anyone find the bright blue dagger with an olive colored background yet. It will be English. You Sir.... have been "lit up" Linda
 

Linda Brown

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This was the easiest to find but there are other references. It all goes around in a big circle

http://www.ufomind.com/area51/inquiry/copter/wackenhut.html

"This led one former intelligence operative to speculate that we may be witnessing a very sophisticated intelligence operation being played out in public.

Former F.B.I. Special Agent, Ted Gunderson, speaks for Riconosciuto's credibility. Gunderson, who lives in Manhattan Beach, has worked with Riconosciuto for many years in his capacity as private investigator.

"Together, according to Gunderson, they were responsible for thwarting a terrorist operation during the Los Angeles Olympics. According to Gunderson, Riconosciuto was well known in certain circles as a genius in almost all sciences.

"The so-called drug operation broken up in Washington State was an electrohydrodynamic mining operation claimed Gunderson, using Townsend Brown technology. A videotape viewed by this journalist revealed metallic powders and apparent processes unrelated to drug manufacture. Indeed, a government analysis of soil samples revealed the absence of drug contamination, but a high concentration of barium. Barium is often found in high voltage related work.

"Unsubstantiated information from an intelligence source claims that the current situation is the visible effect OF A WAR CURRENTLY GOING ON IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY between a group centered in the CIA called Aquarius (around a powerful center known as MJ-12) and a group known as COM-12 centered around Naval Intelligence. COM-12 is reputedly trying to sustain a rearguard action to sustain and preserve constitutional government and is deliberately LEAKING INFORMATION damaging to the former group." (Take note of William 'Bill' Cooper's pro-constitution, anti-MJ/12 writings and his past association with high levels of Naval Intelligence - Branton)

And you guys wonder why it is difficult to get the straight story about what is actually going on ? <g> Just look at the players involved! Linda
 

Linda Brown

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Since Lady of Light was kind enough to give this area to topics about Townsend Browns Daughter I thought that I would share with you this little " horse story" which does say a little bit about me and also my Dad.... when I was just twelve....

Drawn from the cosmic token today

• View topic - HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!!!!

by Linda Brown » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:55 pm

Happy Birthday my sweet little filly! I named her " Bonfire" because her coat was bright red when she was born....

Of course she is long gone now but everytime April 3 comes along I think of her.

She was the result of one of my more successful covert operations. To get to that though I have a memory to share with you.........The memory of when I first saw that fillys Mother....

.... I had actually seen her in a very detailed dream the night before she came into my life. In my dream I saw a black horse racing in tight circles with a white fence in the back ground.... she was saddled ... I even knew that her saddle blanket was red,black and white stripes.... and that her reins were trailing as she flipped her head around, neighing.... her beautiful black coat glistened and I noticed how she carried her tail... like a banner! When I told Dad about the dream he didn't have very much time to talk... getting ready for his drive into Winston-Salem to the Bahnson Lab.... but he just had a couple of comments.... One.... that the reason the horse didn't have a rider.... was that she was " Looking for you, sweetie"..... I thought that was odd but somehow a wonderful comment..... and then he spent some time talking about a black horse and how it had changed the course of history....something about ancient Persia...and Zoroaster.

That night the man who had been looking for a horse for us.... called to say that he had found yet another that he wanted to show off. I guess that Mr. Carmichael was getting as tired of this process as I was... Dad must have looked at twenty horses during the last few months. He turned all of them down. I had started out so hopeful...( I was a horse crazy twelve year old girl.... I would have taken the first one offered!) But Dad kept rejecting each one.

When we got to the farm it was already dark so they flipped on the lights for the riding arena and Mother, Dad and I walked there with Mr. Carmichael to wait to see this new prospect. I had been so dishearted by so many rejections that I didn't even bother to walk to the barn but waited there for the horse to be led out to us. When I first saw her coming out of the dark... I grabbed my Dads elbow but couldn't say a word. There was this glistening black horse.... saddled.... and the blanket was stripped.... black, red, white..... the groom led her through the gate but it swung back and caught her on the haunches. She reared and bolted into the arena... ripping the reins from Tommys hands... and then she took off... neighing... swinging her beautiful head back and forth as she ran....I just collapsed on the ground crying.

I am sure that Mr. Carmichael was positive that the horse had blown the sale for him. This Dr. Brown had dismissed so many.... so it must have been a real shock when my Dad simply turned to him and said....." I'll take the mare.... and I want the saddle and blanket too."

Hahaha.... but the story doesn't end. During that first month " Beauty" and I covered real ground... I would saddle her up early in the morning and ride all day....Looking back on it now, with all my experience with horses, I realize how dangerous that was.... but I never worried and my parents ( who were not horse people) just assumed everything would be alright..and I never had a bad experience... other that temporarily getting stuck in quicksand which I never told Mom and Dad about!!!.

During one of these rides we happened upon a very handsome thoroughbred stallion who lived not far away.... he was always turned out in his own pasture far from the barn...he lived a natural kind of life and was a beautiful red chestnut...he had his own band of nice mares and I could tell that he was quite a well bred horse....so I developed a plan... and when the time was right... in the middle of the night... I turned Beauty loose with that stud.

In the fall we moved Beauty to Leesburg Virginia and I boarded her on a farm on the edge of town...In the spring Mr. Kitts called me when Beauty went into labor and I spent all morning down in the deep straw with her.....When the filly struggled to her feet her first few steps were to me!

So.....on April 3, 1969 a bright red filly was born....
Happy Birthday Bonfire
 

Linda Brown

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Sorry.... typo.... the year was 1959. Suddenly I am feeling even older than I did before,
Anyway.... so many years later... I still think of her! Linda
 

Linda Brown

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My Goodness. Thank you all for your response about my little "horse story" above. So many of you have called to ask more about what happened to Bonfire that I just posted this on the token and hope that its alright to copy it here too. Nice to know that there are so many horse people out there. Its a grand passion to have, isn't it?

"by Linda Brown » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:30 am

I had to sell Bonfire in January of 1962 so I only had that short time with her... but during that time she taught me how to be a pretty good trainer.... taught me the value of keeping a journal of our progress together... it was the first " journal" that I had ever kept. I wrote in it very concientiously... and noted her reactions to everything new that I presented her with..... For those who haven't read some of the story I covered a little of it in " The Good-Bye Man"

Smashwords — The Good-Bye Man — A book by Linda Brown

My time training Bonfire was an emotional span in my life....in the fall of 1960 I was spending alot of time taking the bus out to Leesburg where she and Beauty were boarded.... My life had sort of fallen apart, I felt... because Mother and Dad had separated... He had moved to Meadville, Pa and Mother and I had found a little house in Bethesda Maryland. I had entered yet another school ( Walter Johnson High School..... first school that I had ever attended which was named after a ball player!) It was ENORMOUS... so big that it was almost like a factory. I cut classes alot....nobody ever missed me!!! Beauty and Bonfire were the only solid things in my life.... so I would take the Greyhound all the way out to Leesburg just so I could spend the day working with her....

I waited until she was two years old ( to the day) before I got on her for the first time. Mother had spent the winter with Dad in Meadville.. They had reunited when he had become so seriously ill but he was better in April of 61 ....and they were both together with me when I stepped up on Bonfire for the first time. (In fact Dad held the bridle for me as I eased into the saddle)....Mother was on the other side of the paddock and very nervous....Dad waited until I was set with both feet in the stirrups and then he slowly walked back to stand with Mother. Mother I think was expecting fireworks and a real rodeo!

Bonfire just stood there watching him leave her side. It was the most amazing feeling... (finally sitting on this special horse.) We just stood there for a moment. Finally I used my most masterful training voice.... " Walk ON". She hesitated a moment because she knew that command.... but where was it coming from?.... " Walk On" I repeated.... sitting there... not wanting to touch her sides just yet... hoping that she would remember that she was supposed to "put it in gear". Finally she turned her nose around and sniffed the toe of my boot.... looked ahead.... and then walked smartly forward.... just as if she had been ridden for years!!!! It was one of the most amazing experiences of my life to that point.

I rode her all that summer... not doing anything strenuous because she was so young... but we learned all the good mannerly trail horse stuff too.... how to wade down into a stream without freaking out.... how to ride in the company of other horses without being a nerd....She was transported from Virginia with Beauty to Meadville, Pa when Mom and I joined Dad up there....and she and I learned what it was like to ride through snow! She always gave me 100% of whatever she could... a grand horse.

Suddenly early in 1962 Dad returned from a trip to the Bahamas..... and the news was that in less than three days we would be leaving the area.... not to return.... and Dad explained that this time, he was very sorry, ... I could not take the horses.

I think you all can imagine what a difficult three days that was for me.

I found a great home for Beauty with a girl who used to ride her when I was training Bonfire. It was her first horse and I think that Beauty was the magical horse to her as she had been to me....Bonfire was the hard lesson in learning to let go.... but I found a professional rider who I hoped would take her further and treat her well. And of course, I never saw her again....

The little horse I have right now was born on St. Paddys Day in 1985. He is a bright red chestnut...... and I even have a picture of him taking his first steps to me when he managed to get to his feet. What a joy he has been too....So I guess things don't change too much...I have been blessed in my life in so many ways.

Linda
 
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ianchris948

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MY most recent video is in your honor. You might want to get the security clearance to view this one, it's too good to miss. :)


Amazing how my content plays back without any interruptions. You would never know that my YouTube account is suspended for copyright violations LOL.
 

Linda Brown

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The " Disclosure movie" is soon to be revealed here in LA and this is a comment that came across the token forum which I would like to share here too.....What do you think is happening regarding Greers current work?


by Linda Brown » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:33 pm

For some reason I overlooked the great comments that were made here... I don't know how I did that but I am happy to find the discussion.... finally.

Dr. P.... you said "I suspect that Sirius will be full'up with spooks and spiritualists, plus a wide array of interesting techno-savvy types. But I also find it fascinating that they have drafted some of the more credible voices pertinent to unexplained "aerial phenomena" such as airforce officers, flight traffic controllers, ex-Minuteman missile base crews (e.g, the Malmstrom sightings up in Montana), etc. How or why are people of this caliber sticking their necks out ??

And the fact that it will draw such interesting people is probably why I should avoid the place. A gathering like that.... with bait like that .... IS going to draw.... just as you said, an assortment of interesting people. Interesting to us and for all of the other entities keeping track of whos -who in this world. I think that I need..... not to be there. I am sure careful dossiers will be drawn on everyone with a ticket. As you probably know... I am allergic to that kind of exposure! And he thought occurs to me... having a sinister side to my mind... is THAT one of the main reasons that the film is being shown.... to add to the dossiers that have already been drawn up on the people interested in these subjects? Its a consideration.

As you said later in your message.... they will be known by their works and not just by their words.....so I will be looking for what is actually happening as a result of this meeting. If those promoting it are on the same frame of undersanding that I seem to be.and if they are just not dull tools in someone elses employ...... the time is now for ACTION and maybe this is just the start. More power to them, if that is the case....I will watch to see.

And a little quote from Philip Roth to someone I know is reading this....( wherever you are now Sir...... whatever door you happen to be working on!) .....I have taken artistic liberties to change the tense from past to present... I know that Roth would forgive me, under the circumstances!

"Oh Mickey, it IS wonderful, it IS fun - the whole kitten and kaboozle. It IS like living. And to be denied that whole part would be a great loss. You give it to me. You give me a double life. I couldn't endure with just one."
Linda
 

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Lady of Light.... Could you start a new thread that will address these Black Triangles that have been sighted recently near your area? This is something I just posted on my Cosmic Token forum but I would like to be able to share any incoming information and considerations here too....

Here is what I just posted there....

• View topic - BLACK TRIANGLE. Rumbling noise

"by Linda Brown » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:30 pm

For some reason..... strange for my upbringing.... I have avoided becoming involved in anything to do with joining these various UFO investigation networks.....but maybe the time is approaching.

Reports are coming in apparently.... " on the rise" someone said about even more " Black Triangles" being reported.

I know that here in the desert some of the local residents swear that they have had extremely low level " fly over" experiences where even though the enormous structure passing over them was completely silent... they had other sensatiions ( besides freaking out, I am sure) of the hair on their arms sort of " standing up".... and the smell of ozone..... which is very distinctive.....

Now we are just " down the road" from the largest Marine Combat Center in the world... thousands of acres.... and to me.... the fact that something that big could be in the 29 Palms airspace.... within a hundred miles.... just speaks of a couple of things..... They didn't know it was there..... or they did and consider it no threat. That consideration could keep us busy for months!

We could go on and on about those possibilities and maybe thats why I felt the need to post this thread.

Here is one recent sighting report from the Detroit area. Oddly not long ago Lady of Light had mentioned on her forum that she heard an odd humming rumbling noise and even went outside to get a better idea of where it was coming from....I have wondered if perhaps that black triangle was in the area too and she just didn't see it. I mean..... if it can be reported here.... with no jets scrambled..... something strange is happening. And I think its time to talk about it.

My only experience with anything shaped like that was watching "Morgan" draw a triangle into he sand next to my horses corral. He had just " walked into my life" again after being gone from my experience since 1987. I had been told that he was dead and had resigned myself to that....but suddenly he was there in front of me........ I was in a semi state of shock at seeing him so suddenly as you can imagine and he told me alot of things very quickly... some of it probably lost in my memory now....( this experience was on my Dads birthday March 18, 2004) Its turned my entire life upside down since then but I am trying to cope.....He drew a triangle in the dirt..... I immediately remember my Dad doing the same thing and talking about a " someday ship" so I asked " Morgan" quickly......" WHERE IS IT?" and his strange response to me was....." It hasn't been built yet".

For those who don't have the foggiest notion about what I am talking about this might help you.....

Smashwords — The Good-Bye Man — A book by Linda Brown

So lets explore the subject of " Black Triangles " and strange rumblings. They are somehow connected. Linda
 

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So what did the local news say about this thing that so many people saw again? Reminds me of the "Phoenix Lights".....and I know for certain that experience has made some real believers of alot of people who previously stood on the sidelines. Floating over an entire city is NOT being covert.

But the connection that is being made between possible deep mining operations and these ships overhead.?... THATS something that we need to start paying close attention to. Linda
 
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Several years ago Paul ( the writer of my Dads biography "The Parallel Universe of T. Townsend Brown")
Posted this comment about his feelings of the Biography project which stated his reasons for "throwing up his hands and walking away from the project ( after working on it for six years). I think that it is time to reinvestigate those words and actions.

Here is what he had to say with my current responses... in red..



"by Linda Brown » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:53 pm

Paul Schatzkin posted this unexpectedly on January 12, 2009.

I have never publically adequately responded to the words that he drafted here but now after a proper span of time has passed I feel I have the right and yes, even the obligation to put my thoughts out there too. Paul has made sure that he has sunken beneath the radar for any of the various Forums considering Dad. Convenient for him, but in many ways I feel that he has much to actually answer for....He had responsibilities when he took on my Dads Biography which I think he treated shabbily.And perhaps its time to come to terms with some of those....Anyway.... these are his words, with my response to him in red,bold italics.

Post-Mortem on an Exercise in Futility

You cannot tell the world that somebody they've never heard of is important if you cannot tell them why.

( WHAT? Thats an interesting concept. After six years of painstaking research how could you possibly come to the conclusion that Townsend Brown was an NOT important individual, worthy of a properly written Biography? What happened to your passionate pleas to me as you were "selling" your abilities as a professional biographer?) Someday I will edit in your exact words here so that others can see how passionate you were about writing a proper biography... NOT about the science but about the man and those who surrounded him.

That is the conclusion I arrived at over this past weekend after receiving a message from a literary agent who spent the past six weeks reviewing the material I submitted late last year in the hope of finding representation -- and ultimately an actual publisher -- for a book I have been researching and writing for very nearly six years.

The book is (or would have been) Defying Gravity: The Parallel Universe of T. Townsend Brown, which I once whimsically described as "the biography of a man whose story cannot be told." I might have been better served if I'd recognized the truth in that whimsy sooner. And YET you sent six years doing that and now you are trying to write that you should have seen that it was an impossible chore from the beginning????

Townsend Brown discovered an anomalous electrical effect -- known now as the "Biefeld-Brown Effect " -- as a teenager in the 1920's. The effect is regarded in some unorthodox scientific circles as an "anti-gravity" effect, though Brown himself never much cared for that terminology. The effect was heralded at the time as the physical evidence of Albert Einstein's Unified Field Theory, the proof of a connection between electricity and gravity not unlike the symbiotic relationship between electricity and magnetism. It has since become regarded variously as the manifestation of "zero point energy," as proof that there really is an "aether," and has been given credit for enabling every science fiction fantasy from inter-dimensional communication to time travel. Since engaging this enterprise, I've had my own hand in extending some of those fantasies. You have had a hand in something Paul....extending the knowledge or further supressing it.????????? I am not sure yet which it has been.But you can be sure that I will find out.

But the truth is, all we really know about Townsend Brown is that he spent one half of his life engaged in classified military research, and the other half of his life conducting covert intelligence operations designed in part to conceal the classified research. That is really the entire 80 years of Townsend Brown's life boiled down into a single sentence. Beyond that, we really dunno crap.

Note to all of you reading this I think this was the most hurtful statement that Paul Schatzkin would choose to write and of course I took it very personally. He had come to me when I had put all of my Dads information and story away.... was content to leave it hidden... he encouraged me to open that trunk and to begin a long memory trail journey that was difficult and constantly emotionally draining and painful to me ..I put it all on the line for Paul and assisted him on a daily basis...I THOUGHT that we were both focused on digging up all of the little details that would make this Biography a piece of work that we both would be proud of. Both of us put all of that effort in the manuscript that you finally completed Paul.. 600 pages......of "stuff" that we DID know. What you said here was flippant, dismissive and ignorant. It begs the response.... (which needs to be looked into on a future date) " If you " don't know crap".... after all of this work Paul..... what was it that you were searching for in the first place that remained out of your reach? What were you REALLY after that you did not get?

Nevertheless, drawing largely on information supplied by my own "covert" sources, I managed to forge my way through the "first draft" of a manuscript last March.

" Drawing largely???? On information from your " covert sources"..... who told you WHAT Paul.?.. If you are speaking of " Morgan " and "Mr. Twigsnapper" I know for a fact that they specialized in directing you to look in certain areas so that you could uncover obscure material that was however already in the publics view. Those men gave you " short cuts" to information that you could verify on your own. Who ARE your covert sources Paul? You don't actually name them. Perhaps you had OTHERS that you were working with that you have not named.

The intent of that first draft was to simply find some path through the mercurial material. I was not really sure what the true essence of the story was, but I decided in the fall of 2005 that if I just started the work, the thematic heart of it would eventually materialize.

Note here folks that Paul and I started communicating in 2002.... signed our contract in 2003.... and here he admits that he didn't even start writing until the fall of 2005. I can look up on my shelf and see binders and binders filled with Emails that I sent him filled with family facts and memories.....all flowing in one direction and with the thought that I was helping the man do a decent job.... which he had told me... and continued to stress.... that he was capable of doing.

It's hard to tell sometimes when you are neck deep in wishful thinking. Yes, well I can be faulted for that too. regarding you. A

fter completing a voluminous (nearly 600 page!) first draft and taking a few months to get some distance from material, last summer I compiled a detailed book proposal. This is the reverse of the usual procedure; It is more customary to write a proposal first, secure an advance, and THEN write the book. But because I felt I needed to write the book before I would be able to effectively convey what it is about, I put that cart in front of the horse. That might be when I started seriously "pushing" in the absence of any "pull."

Now carefully read what the man has said here. Whose fault was that? HE was the one who decided to reverse the process. HE was the one who decided that the book needed to be written before he could understand it! This is the man who presented himself to me as a professional writer. Is this the way a professional plots his course?

Once the proposal was finished, I slowly and methodically began submitting query letters to a carefully culled list of literary agents whose past experience commended them for this particular and unusual project. More than half the the queries generated no response at all; most of the other half replied that the material was not right for them. Two agents requested to see the full proposal

I don't know why that seemed to trouble him. " Gone with the Wind" was rejected 99 times before it was published. What did he expect?

The first agent who read the full proposal arrived at this conclusion: "The proposal didn’t work for me – I had trouble following Brown’s story and couldn’t see how the book would convince a skeptical readership to take the story seriously enough to sustain [the] narrative." That was not exactly the first time I'd gotten that sort of feedback.

The agent said " I had trouble following Browns story." Whose fault is that?. If he couldn't follow the story Paul should have realized that the man was saying.... point blank... "it was poorly written! "And even Paul writes " That was not exactly the first time I had gotten that sort of feedback."
Hello Paul. What is wrong here?

But, you know, in any creative endeavor, you're not supposed to listen to the critics

( YES Paul.... You ARE supposed to listen)

or take their rejections to heart. You're just supposed to, in the words of Townsend Brown himself, "go forth." So I persisted through the fall, sending queries and receiving rejections. Finally, in November, another agent -- we'll call him "P.R." -- wrote back that he felt the project "shows promise" and asked for the full proposal. He also asked for a period of up to five weeks to consider the material exclusively, meaning no more queries submitted or proposals sent out. I agreed to wait until the first full week of the New Year to hear if P.R. wanted to take the project on.

And what did you do during that time Paul? I remember saying to you that I didn't think that you should give one agent that kind of time with an exclusive situation.... that you should be sending the manuscript out repeatedly to others until he asked you to take it off the market and supplied you with a contract. It was YOU who decided to put all of OUR eggs in this one basket.

The exclusive period gave me a lot of time to think about where I am with this project -- how much time I've put into it, how I feel about the material, how I feel about its future prospects. And, rightly or wrongly, I found myself putting a lot of stock in the response of this one agent ( .NOW...lets just read his list of excuses).

Coming as all this was on the cusp of a New Year, I began to recognize in myself a high level of exhaustion from pushing on this string: if there wasn't some indication from the larger Universe that somebody besides myself and a handful of others was interested in this story, I didn't think I had the will to persist any longer. I needed some kind of "pull" on the other side of my "push."

How do you all translate that? I translate that he wanted someone else to step in here and do his work for him. He was tired. He wanted to quit.

Last Friday, the last day of the exclusive period, the prospect of some kind of "pull" pretty much evaporated when P.R. finally wrote back. The essence of the response is embodied in the opening paragraph:

*"The promise is there, the possibility is there, but there is no meat on the bones ... there is still no detail as to what he actually did discover."

And again I have to wonder. Suddenly.... this ONE agent has turned Paul down because the book does not disclose whatever it was in the black that Townsend Brown DID discover. What Paul has done here is blame someone else for what he was doing.... I believe that somehow Paul had turned his search from writing a story about the man.... and his family ( the story that he had convinced me that he was capable of writing) into a search for the hidden technology. And not finding it.... He quit. Somebody out there give me a different analysis..... Please....

And that, I have concluded, is the end of that. Exit stage left.


It's funny how suddenly the truth glares out at me. "No meat on the bones" is all he needed to say. The simple fact is: in one, in ten, in a hundred or six hundred pages, we still don't know "what he actually did discover." The book is, as Ralph Kramden might say, "a mere bag of shells." And, I must finally admit, a bag of empty shells at that. And I need to remind Paul once again of his own words..it was not the science that we were going to be writing about.....

There may indeed be a pearl in there somewhere, but I must now confess that I have been unable to find it.

The "Pearl" I believe was what Paul had already accomplished in those 600 pages but he could not see it. It was right in front of his face.... waiting to be properly and professionally finished.

In lieu of that kernel of truth, I have conjured substitutes. I built a shell around a non-existent story using a firmer narrative of related characters. I injected my own story, using the metaphor of falling down a rabbit hole.

I am not sure what he is talking about here....." conjured substitutes? Does he mean the story that he trespassed into telling.... the love story between "Morgan " and me that he lifted from my contributions..( is that the " firmer narrative" that he is talking about here?????.. all the time telling me that he would edit those sections out in the rewrite? Is that what makes the book fail in his mind?

Months and months ago I actually wrote to Paul and told him that if he felt that his " departure" into writing about " other characters ( Me.... "Morgan"... Mr. Twigsnapper) in any way actually diminished his book from the hard and fast Biography that he started out to write.( and that he had a contract with me for) ..that was his dream to write...... that I would be very pleased to help him " Put things right". That of course would mean removing the book from the publics view.... rewriting it severely.... taking out all mention of my personal interaction with the red headed kid that he chose to call " Morgan".... removing anything personal from me or even stories about Mr. Twigsnapper........leaving ONLY the information that he had written about my Dads life and career. pulled from public records and scientific material and other sources.

I did tell him in that same message that I believed that he had written the best Biography of Dad in existence at that time....and I hope that he realized that my offer to help him rewrite the book ( The Parallel Universe of T. Townsend Brown) was motivated by wanting to see him succeed in the role that he had dreamed for himself....

Paul did respond... by first thanking me for the comment about his writing the "best Biography out there"....... but then by saying that he was unwilling AT THAT TIME to revisit the subject of the life of T. Townsend Brown. So thats where it sits currently.



But in six years I have not found the bottom to this rabbit-hole, and I have grown endlessly weary of the falling --along with various forms of psychological abuse I've had to endure during the fall. But I know how to stop the abuse. I just did.

I have wondered ,of course, what he meant by " psychological abuse" Am I the only one?

In all this time, I insisted to myself that I could fabricate some way to tell this story. It was really all up to me, I told myself. And If I could not tell the actual story, then I'd tell the story of trying to tell the story. But the story of telling a story only works if the first story is actually told. Which, in this case, it is not. And whose fault? and WHY wasn't it properly told?


I spoke at length last week with a mentor of sorts who has stood by my side through this whole undertaking; this was Thursday, the day before I received the letter from P.R. In the course of describing my growing ambivalence, and my need for some form of "external validation," I came up with an interesting metaphor: As a writer, I imagine myself to be a cannon; my secret desire is that my material will prove to be a cannon ball, which, upon launching, will land somewhere and have some kind of an impact. I think that's all any artist asks for.

I am not sure that Paul really understands why a writer writes. Is it to make an "impact?"
What kind of IMPACT? What was Paul thinking that he could accomplish.... and why did his " mentor" have anything really to say about all of this? Who was his mentor? Someone he says had " stood by my side through this whole undertaking". Now thats alot invested doncha think? For an outsider.


But for as long as I've been working on this story, I have avoided the realization that has now weighs heavily on me: This story is not a cannonball. It's mush. I've tried to wrap the mush up in a more solid shell. But absent a clear grasp of "what he actually did discover," this agent has seen the mush for exactly what it is, and now I simply must face that reality.

The " reality I believe that Paul is having to face here is that he was unable to provide the agent with a well written story. It has to be someone elses fault. He didn't want to go to the trouble of the rewrite... a computer glitch had wiped away some of his footnotes.... it was just alot of work to do the professional job that he had promised me that he could do. It was just easier to quit.

I have indulged myself for entirely too long in the belief that by the sheer force of my will, by the "scheming of my ego," or by some manner of clever verbal alchemy, I could turn this narrative mush into solid iron. This agent has done me an enormous favor, by simply and effectively demonstrating for me the power of my own self-delusion.

He gave you an open door Paul.... which you were looking for..... and you took it.

I know that there are some of you reading this who are surprised and disappointed -- if not downright outraged -- by this conclusion.

Surprised? Yes! Of course we were. So many of us had gone on this trail with you for years. We encouraged you Paul....you gave us no warning before you closed down the Forum and posted this piece of.... whatever this is.

Sure, there are alternatives. I could persist in my persistence. I could continue working on a revised draft. I could edit and proofread and self-publish.

What made you turn against doing that?

But the first draft is already "out there," circulating in unknown ways through the cyber-ether. And the inescapable fact of the matter is that there is not any amount of re-writing that is going to reveal any more than what has already been told, what has already been launched into the firmament

. You mean to try to tell me Paul that you quit because you did not know enough......yet now.....nothing more can ever be revealed? That what YOU have put out there is all there is to know about T. Townsend Brown? You make no sense.

Maybe the sadder fact here is that I have reached the limit of my own faith

( there is the truth)

in the power or appeal of this material. I know what some of you are probably thinking, that I'm copping out, giving up, throwing in the towel, pulling the plug. And maybe you're right. But like I said, absent some "pull" on the other side, I've pushed all I can.

And I can accept that. Disappointing as it is because I had great expectations for your abilities Paul...There is no tug boat making its way to you.... You would have had to do it on your own. You could not.

Maybe it's unreasonable to expect an agent or publisher to believe in material that I have myself lost faith in.

( Absolutely! What do you mean MAYBE?)

I can't expect somebody else to believe in material that I don't believe in myself.

(positively)

The bottom line is: I don't believe in the material because I really don't know how much of it to believe. I've wrestled with that conundrum long enough. The passion is unrewarded, the effort is unrewarding, and there is little to add

. I agree.

I put on 20 pounds sitting down every morning for 2-1/2 years with coffee and dark chocolate; that was the glue that kept my fanny in the chair long enough to cobble together nearly 600 pages of mush.. In the past few months, I've paid closer attention to my diet and shed the extra weight. Now maybe it's likewise time to jettison the rest of the baggage -- the baggage I've been hauling around inside my head.

Best to start the new year with a clean slate."

Yes.... I think that you were ultimately quite right. Best for you and best for the people who continue to be interested in Townsend Brown.**********************************************************************************************************
[A few days later he made arrangements to self publish that 600 " bag of shells" and I guess that I was supposed to settle for that?. Not going to happen. Linda
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Lady of Light.... Could you start a new thread that will address these Black Triangles that have been sighted recently near your area?

Sorry Linda, just going through and seeing this now. :) I can start a thread on this, no problem. I'll have one sometime tonight. I need a clever title before I start it, but I assure you it will be up before I go to bed tonight. :) (I'm still settling back in. :) )
 
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