Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

Just out of curiosity I googled Paul Schatzkin EPIC FAIL . You should see all of the references to the HUT and some of the nasty remarks that Mikado has spread out there... I have decided that its worth it to me, while I am also working on this rewrite, to gather material that will answer the questions...

Why did Paul Schatzkin actually quit and what was Mikados part in it.
Its obvious that he has been an active player in this...and I wonder if its just as simple as this...

Discredit what I have to say... you bury interest that would otherwise build up about Townsend Browns work.... and you keep the public from uncovering what actually is going on regarding it.

I am still wondering what part Zorgon has in all of this. Sometimes I wonder if his entire website is simply designed as a " watering hole" for keeping track of those who are interested in this subject. Also gives others a chance to identify the various people who might effect change. They have been very active at this.... going so far as to actually come here to try to effect their agenda. Luckily Lady of Light has another viewpoint that made her more immune to their efforts... but the question still is there... why is this concerted effort so important to some?

To me its worth investigating. Who is Mikado actually? What are his connections to Zorgon? Who were the others who interacted with folks who brought up the Townsend Brown subject on the History Channel Forum. That entire situation disappeared like fog in sunlight.....

But I suspect that the "players" who were active there are still out there on different Forums. Just as Mikado tried to introduce himself as " Ridgerunner"... there are those hiding behind masks... I think it might be time for some to be revealed.

At least... I hope that you have all agreed that I am who I have said I am. Are we agreed on that? Funny that those who doubted me so much... and cried so loudly.... have all but dissappeared. What was their agenda?

Linda

49chevy.com : EPIC FAIL

The comments are best.
Mikado was waffling on about having built flying discs in the 70's and them now been in the land fill.
I threatened to bash Paul with a rolled up newspaper.
It's always six O'clock in Alice in wonderland
Kevin

I've noticed that some people are not happy unless they're miserable. I'm not naming anyone specific. As for me, what you see is what you get. I have enough trouble keeping up with who I am. Let's not complicate it.

Cat

And I have noticed that some people can't be happy unless they are happy..... we all find our water level I guess and hope to stick to it.

49chevy.com : EPIC FAIL



"What struck me as most ironic while reading of this amazing project is that Dr. Brown, as you have discovered, spent most of his life covering up his life and work...and he did a hell of a good job!!! Even in death he remains a mystery! Wow. I say very cool movie stuff. I can't even imagine consistently behaving in any sense over such a long period of time!
Besides that, what you have accomplished here says a lot about your character and that you will take with you forever"

These were words from the Epic Fail link in the comments section. I don't know who this lady was but I sure wish that she would speak up here. She saw something then and there that I was slow to accept... Yes.... that my Dad was responsible for " covering up his life and work"... I suspected it but I have seen more and more evidence of that.

Surely its time for us to break out from under that shadow.

George today asked me what my Mother must have been thinking when Dad basically left the family on an isolated island for nearly five years.... where he was gone most of the time. Why did he do that? Why did she put up with that?

And I realized that in my attempts to answer those questions for myself I am actually writing my book along those lines... and of course others have to understand that I am taking solid facts that I DO know about and observations of my own experiences and using those to form my own particular conclusions. They may not be the conclusions that others may draw but I hope if there is a difference that other researchers will have enough respect for me and others... so if they have a differing opinion of what was happening that they will present their homework in detail.... not just spout the opinion. I expect that there might be alot of that happening.

I challenge Mikado. If he thinks that I am so wrong about the conclusions I have drawn... then I invite him to step forward with a well researched counter proposal to the way that things might have gone.

I welcome other opinions on what my Dad was doing during his very mysterious life. Step forward if you have information that goes counter to my observations. They may be polar opposites but still be the same. Linda

In Epic Fail Paul said

"I know that there are some of you reading this who are surprised and disappointed -- if not downright outraged -- by this conclusion. Sure, there are alternatives. I could persist in my persistence. I could continue working on a revised draft. I could edit and proofread and self-publish. But the first draft is already "out there," circulating in unknown ways through the cyber-ether. And the inescapable fact of the matter is that there is not any amount of re-writing that is going to reveal any more than what has already been told, what has already been launched into the firmament"


He and I had a contract and this
" I could edit and proofread and self-publish
Would have been all that I would have asked of him. He says that he has six years involved in this project but I was with him every step of the way... and putting our " product" out there the way that he did was a great detriment to me. No one should buy a book that is presented the way that Paul presented his Biography of my Dad....and since I will never see a dime ( I only would get 20% of the profits anyway..... AFTER his expenses) I think that I have a right to gripe that he treated me unfairly and in fact actually acted in extremely bad faith regarding what should have been my rightful expectations. I could edit and proofread and self-publish.... YES.... He COULD HAVE... he SHOULD have and all of the words that he spews out here do not explain why he didn't follow through and do a professional job that was promised.

I am not often open to thoughts of conspiracy and his actions here speak to that.

He said once that Character is Action. What was Pauls Character in these actions? Linda

And I know that it seems that I am harping on Mikado.... but the answer still has not been answered.... why was it that Paul quit so suddenly after meeting with Mikado. Six years he hangs in there.... and one meeting with Mikado inspires him to go home and publish the " EPIC FAIL"

I just want to know what was really going on between those two....

And what is STILL going on.

Linda

My husband asked me today why in the world I have so much interest in following up on my Dads work...and it was hard to answer him because he really can not see what I do. Perhaps no one else does either.

I happened across something that Langley had messaged on the ttbrown forum ( Paul Schatzkins Forum.) The date was AFTER Paul had quit but some of the members there had encouraged him to keep the Forum up and available though it is locked down for further comments. Langleys posted in March 09 was perhaps the most important but I will leave it to all of you to see the importance of what is going on here.... or not....

I posted this on the cosmic token too so that it won't be lost.

by Linda Brown » Tue May 28, 2013 3:50 am

This is from the old ttbrown forum and from our good companion Langley....
Welcome to the Parallel Universe ? View topic - Lock Down
I wish that Paul had paid better attention to the things that he had to say and I encourage you to read ALL of his message but this is the part that I wanted to point out to everyone.... the most outstanding observation in red....

"On reading the official the Symth report, the official account of the atomic bomb program (Atomic Energy for Military Purposes (The Smyth Report) The Official Report on the Development of the Atomic Bomb Under the Auspices of the United States Government By Henry De Wolf Smyth at http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/Smyth ... ndex.shtml) the same theme pops up. That the forces are fundamentally ELECTROSTATIC. TT had serious lung problems because of ozone. Ionisation by electricity. Though today the whole thing is thought of in terms of the Nuclear Force, the binding energy and mass conversion, its actually electrostatics. Go back to the OLD nonclemanture - what things were called and why they were calld it, and we find a postive and a negative application of the same deal. Especially when one goes back to what has been said and refenced about neutrons in these forums. A malleable collective thing formed from sub sub particles seemingly as required. As if the boundary between "this side" and the "other side" is responsive and self stabilising. But capable of unleashing ferocious forces when manipulated brutally or of seemingly to transcend the laws of physics. But that actually an oxymoron. Or something. We dont tell the cosmos what to do. (have a go, see what happens). We have to observe and apply that which has always been.

Its like, huh? Two Donald Campbell's in two Bluebirds on the same Lake Eyre doing the same 400 mph on the same but opposite vectors.

And there was a vanishing point where they met. Just a flash, a twinkle and they were gone from public view.

Which is not say I think TT was involved in the bomb. He wasnt. Now I cant verbalise my feelings on this any better than I have. Im just laying underneath it all looking up and marvelling. I aint gonna drive it any distance at all. Just in case. Ill let someone young and immortal do that.

We live in an expanded singularity. Just beneath what we call reality, there is a field. Everything comes from it. It is the field of the Singularity. But its stretched out. It connects each point with every other point as if it were still a singularity. Had the MED guys "gone the other way", it wouldnt have been a bomb so much as breach in time and space. Hiroshima would have disappeared. No smoke, no flames, no nothing. There, it starts and idles, but no way am I taking out on the street. Id be tempted to lay serious rubber."Such serious and important observations and I particularly liked this

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Greetings Radomir! Hope you and yours are well. Not bad, still trying to get my head around history. And this vague and queasy feeling that the guys into fission had/have things in negative. While Brown had them in positive

Linda

Greetings to you too Radomir... from another time but the thoughts are the same....

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This message from Langley was typed out March 25, 2009... after Paul had closed down the Forum and then been asked to AT LEAST leave it up and make it available for future investigators. Paul had given up and said that there was nothing to the work of Townsend Brown because HE COULDN'T SEE IT. But if you read the implications of what Langley says here.... perhaps its a very good thing that people don't actually see anything quite yet....until they are prepared for the responsibility........
Linda Brown

"Had the MED guys "gone the other way", it wouldnt have been a bomb so much as breach in time and space. Hiroshima would have disappeared. No smoke, no flames, no nothing.Perhaps they were encouraged to go in the direction that they were encouraged to see. Perhaps the other road was protected then. Perhaps it still is. Linda

"Briefly, the Townsend Brown I know was a scientist first, a spook secondly, and a family man in the time left over to him"

Thats how Jan Lofton , my writing partner recently described my father.
In 2002 another writer convinced me that he could capture my Dads life well in a biography. He claimed that he was not looking for a revelation of my Dads long classified research but more the simple story of what Dads life was like living on the cutting edge of developing gravity propulsion technology. He declared that I could help him describe how the forces around Dad affected our lives as a family and thats where his interest lay. He stressed that he was interested in the human side of it all. Answering the questions of what it meant to be on the leading edge of technology. He reiterated that he was not interested in the details of the science behind it but in how Townsend Brown and the people around him dealt with their situations.

In January of 2009 Paul Schatzkin suddenly published the 600 page unedited manuscript " Defying Gravity: The Parallel Universe of T. Townsend Brown." . And he walked away from the project! He declared mysteriously that unless those scientific details were released that Dads life history without them would somehow not be valid..
That same week Jan and I shook hands and agreed that we needed to pick up where Paul had faltered.
" The Good-Bye Man" was that story.

Through the last couple of years I realized that even THAT rendition wasn't enough. It didn't explain things well enough and wasn't ( quite frankly.... to be tough on both of us)...well enough written. It did what it was meant to do at the time, but it wasn't enough.

I am beginning to understand... some things just are not ready.... until they are ready.

A few months ago I began to rewrite " The Good-Bye Man".

I have had quite a few people ask if there will be more " science" involved in it and I will have to say.... yes....BUT that is not the primary thrust of the effort here..

I have reported what happened to me as an individual, during a certain time frame. . There were many things happening around me at various times that I didn't recognize but that doesn't mean that my account won't be very helpful for those following Dads work. For example.... Did anyone know that my Dad demonstrated what is now commonly called a " lifter" in 1955? What does that mean folks? He demonstrated it to representatives of the military and their reaction was total shock. What happened after that? Surely someone out there knows.

My book isn't just about the science of ThomasTownsend Brown. Its about a father who was involved in work so secret that he could not answer to his own son when he was asked...." why do you choose this... over me?"

Its about a daughter who somehow understood the answer would never be given, not by her father or her lover who chose to follow the same career.

And its about a courageous woman who understood that the passion for the science would always come first to her husband , no matter how much they loved each other . She was able to accept that reality
........ She used to say , wistfully," I could write a book!"

Josephine Beale Brown, this will be that book, Finally....

THATS why I wrote " The Good-Bye Man". and am rewriting it now. I felt that there needed to be a solid story out there that would reveal the sacrifices that I know my Mother, Dad and close companions offered so selflessly. I wanted it to be a human story so that when people saw the name " Townsend Brown" they would also know about the others in his life, not just formulas or prototypes in well studied notebooks and papers.....

Linda

And to Lady of Light. I had to laugh the other day when I looked back at my desk and I had pages of the rewrite.... all over the place..... sorting the chapters that I had just had printed so that I would have a hard copy.... I thought immediately of your vision....

And that gentleman is still shaking his head, looking at all of those boxes of incoming information.
I am convinced that you saw him too.... wondering...... how do we even start? <g> Linda

I just happened to notice this statement by Mikado...

"Again, I see it is necessary to repeat. "I will not divulge my evidence until such time as it is in a court of law". You claimed you had a lawyer on retention to sue me. I claim that I may sue you for slander/libel. Why would I want to give my evidence in the event we do go to court?

What a pile of ... well... a pile. Divulge evidence until such time as it is in a court of law". You have been spouting that threat for years now Mikado! Time to put up or shut up.
Thats just.... the pile... that you keep repeating.

I do have a lawyer... in fact I have two.....Do you really think that I am going to spend their time on YOU?

Linda

On to more important things.

Are there any of you out there reading this that could give my your experience with the Freedom of Information Act and the drawing of copies from.... say... Navy records.

While Paul Schatzkin was writing the Biography of my Dad he put in a request through that facility ( in my name and with my permission.... I understood that the request had to come from me )... It took forever but we finally got a thick file which was his record. MUCH OF IT WAS BLACKED OUT.

But it held important information about how it was and the steps that were taken to secure his release from the Navy in 1942. Please notice that.

I know for certain that directly after leaving the Navy my Dad traveled to Burbank California and joined the classified section of the Vega Aircraft facility. Meeting him there were a group which I consider to be his " hand picked team." One of them was a man named Beau Kitselman. I am sure if you have read any of my story you understand that my entire family held this man in very high regard. He was a genius.... in fact was even registered and studied as one....but this is the interesting part. According to one of his daughters who was able to secure HIS file during the fifties..... it was almost ENTIRELY BLACKED OUT.

Now... I don't need to be a genius myself to see that something big was happening here. I KNOW that Beau and my Dad were working together on something but all I have gotten so far are heavily redacted lines on these official papers. I mean... they don't just take out a word or two here or there. They redact whole flipping pages.

Of course... I wondered recently. Would it be different NOW... Have some of those blackened pages been cleared. If Beaus daughters asked for his records again..... and I asked for Dads.... could we triangulate their activities? And what would that tell us?

Just running it past some of you because I really do feel that some of the folks that are reading these words might have some wisdom in this direction. Can you share it with me? Thanking you in advance. Linda

Does any one know anything about Jeane Manning. She apparently wrote this many years ago and I am impressed with her feel for the material. But I still note that she was influenced by that thin thread of " misinformation" I mentioned before. You can usually find it when you see the words regarding my Dad " went home to rest for six months" That line is directly out of a little yellow book published by AL ( Beau) Kitselman in 1962. THAT my friends was not true. THAT was a cover story......

Still she soldiered on with a pretty accurate rendition of her impression of " electrogravity".

Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries -

I found some things that were misimpressions but generally I think she did a good job with the material that was available to her at the time.

Now I am wondering... who was she? Is she still alive? Would it be possible to speak with her personally or at the very least..... discover why it was that she felt it was important to write this nice piece.

Anyone know any more about her?

Linda

Even his former classmate from officers' candidates school, Admiral Hyman Rickover, discouraged Brown from continuing to explore the dogma-shattering discovery that the force of gravity could be tweaked or even blanked out by the electrical force.

"Townsend, I'm going to do you a favor and tell you: Don't take this work any further. Drop it."

from
Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries -

Just a couple of comments. Where did she get the information that this conversation ever took place. Who was her source on this?..... she is incorrect above on where Dad knew Rickover. They were not classmates...

. they were shipmates on the old S48 submarine during a gravitational research cruise linked to Princeton at the time. Rickover was a lieut. JG at the time. The were friends even though Dad was a lowly sailor in grade he also was on the scientific staff. It created difficulties in protocol for the subs company. Sometimes Dad quipped he considered that the only place where he could take his meals would be on the deck!!! hopefully not while the sub was submerged! And he and Rickover shared a very funny experience... something about approaching natives of a nearby island to accuse someone of drowning a cat. It must have been a shock to have the US Navy show up in their harbor, bitching that someone had tied a weight to a poor unfortuneate cat and thrown it into the ocean. The fact was that the crew had caught a big shark and had gutted it.... to see what it had eaten... they discovered this poor cat... swallowed whole. Rickover and Dad decided that they were going to go to the nearby island and complain. Of course it was all very tongue- in- cheek but they played it for all it was worth and really mortified the mayor of the village. Years later they wondered if anyone had ever dared to do that again. Having the US Navy complain about your actions must have made an impression. Anyway.....Dad told that story many times over the years and he said he and Rickover wondered if that island was over run by cats later!

"He died feeling that he had lost the battle."
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/supressed_inventions/suppressed_inventions25.htm

I have to differ with her here. Dad didn't die feeling that he had "lost the battle". To come to that conclusion you have to understand what his " battle" actually had been. I believe that he felt that he had done everything that he possibly could. He just laid his glasses down on his desk and fell asleep.

I wrote in my journal that night. "October 27, 1985. Daddy died tonight. He just slept away from us"

Linda

"Friends say it did not occur to him to ask if the defense industry was already working on electrogravitics, unknown to him. In 1953 he had flown saucer-shaped devices of three feet in diameter in a demonstration for some Air Force officials and men from major aerospace companies. Energized with high voltage, they whizzed around the 50 foot diameter course so fast that the reports of the test were stamped "classified."
Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries -

Again I would love to know who those " friends" were who said that something " did not occur" to Townsend Brown. especially when it came to the actions of the US Military. He pretty much had connections that were keeping him well informed. At the time in the private sector he was dealing with Mr. Floyd Odlum ( Convair) and William Lear ( Lear Jet) and others that don't need to be named.... those men were not babes in the woods when it came to what the military was doing and capable of.

And the " demonstration was held at Barbers Point Naval Air station.... Hawaii.... for several Admirals.... and if I can get farther with my own research.... for the President of the United States at the time ... Harry Truman.

I think that he kinda knew what the military was doing .

Linda

Just a reaction to her words here....

Your thoughts? Linda

Jeane Manning is a powerhouse it seems in the free energy field. This is terrific. If I hadn't been so busy with my head in the sand around here in my desert I would have known that. I will try to contact her and see if she can help me with some of the questions that I had about her article. Linda

I have tried requesting my dad's army files and gov't files and have been ignored. I don't have the energy to pursue it right now. Maybe after the steroid shots tomorrow.

Cat

Thinking of you Special Spirit Cat. Hope that you are feeling better....

On the trail of your Fathers work. The more black lined -through papers you get in his history....the more you need to investigate.

I have discovered that Dads best friend, Beau Kitselman had pages and pages that were lined out. And this was during the time when Dads activities were similarly blacked out. Someone , somewhere has made a mistake though.... and thats all we need to decipher the entire mess.

I find it interesting that for Dads work everyone can agree that there was a very important meeting which can be called the "Pearl Harbor Demonstration"... where he showed his "work" to a couple of high ranking Naval Officers. The FBI names them and says that Beau was the person who set the demonstation up.... YET.... for some reason....... the EXACT date of that demonstration seemed fogged in mystery. I still haven't found it. Some FBI paperwork complains that there was a meeting and then that "Brown" left for California but even they fog out the date of his departure making the comment though that he is " operating in the Twighlight Zone. I thought that was an interesting description to use in 1950-1951. Why has the exact date of that " Demonstration " been so intentionally obscured?

Sorry, don't really expect anyone out there to answer me.... though if someone could that would be really special. I have sort of been called on the carpet recently because i didn't bother to ask important questions when I had the opportunity....so I am trying to avoid that now.

Is there anyone out there who feels that they know the story of that "Demonstration" in Pearl Harbor by T. Townsend Brown? Can you share what you know?

Thought I'd ask anyway!

Now........ why would that be? That odd blank where information should be?

I have found strange references in Dads papers however to a meeting that was held where everyone was required to wear " Hawaiian shirts".... even the officers.... this was the evening AFTER the demonstration....was this a way of continuing the discussions and yet obscuring the rank of certain individuals. Why would anyone have a special party on a US Naval base and then obscure the individuals?

Well, one of the reasons is that they may have been concerned about spies amongst them. But surely a good spy would have known one important person from another. I mean... How many Admirals can you jam into one room and not know who they are?

Making not too much sense tonight. Its nearly three in the morning ... Cat? Are you feeling better?

Linda

I do know that I was the member of a first grade in 1951... I have the picture and the paperwork which mentions of course " The Territory of Hawaii " which certainly dates me HUh.....I do know that Mom and Dad were in Zanesville, Ohio because of a photo of all of us in a local paper announcing Dads return to his hometown. That was 1953... they mention that I am a student in the third grade... so all that lines up....And we spent time in Los Angeles between leaving Hawaii and arriving in Zanesville. The FBI was all over Dad like white on rice...........but their reports are strangely foggy about the activities of his Foundation at the time.... which apparently was conducting even more demonstrations of " Flying discs"... the same kind of demonstration that had been given to the " Brass" at Pearl Harbor.

The FBI mentions people who attended the Los Angeles demonstrations... One of them was William Lear. Strange.....they mis spell his name " Lehr". Was that intentional?

And the FBI mentions that there were TWO things demonstrated at the special Pearl Harbor meeting.... Flying discs ( without any moving parts) and a strange communications device..... Yet now in California... Dad is publically showing off the discs.... but no one ever mentions the " communications device" again. Where'd it GO?

Just musing early in the morning. Anybody know any more than I do? Surely thats easy enough!!! Linda