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Thread: Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

  1. #471

    Re: Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

    I just happened to notice this statement by Mikado...

    "Again, I see it is necessary to repeat. "I will not divulge my evidence until such time as it is in a court of law". You claimed you had a lawyer on retention to sue me. I claim that I may sue you for slander/libel. Why would I want to give my evidence in the event we do go to court?

    What a pile of ... well... a pile. Divulge evidence until such time as it is in a court of law". You have been spouting that threat for years now Mikado! Time to put up or shut up.
    Thats just.... the pile... that you keep repeating.

    I do have a lawyer... in fact I have two.....Do you really think that I am going to spend their time on YOU?

    Last edited by Linda Brown; May 30th, 2013 at 07:39 AM.

  2. #472

    Re: Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

    On to more important things.

    Are there any of you out there reading this that could give my your experience with the Freedom of Information Act and the drawing of copies from.... say... Navy records.

    While Paul Schatzkin was writing the Biography of my Dad he put in a request through that facility ( in my name and with my permission.... I understood that the request had to come from me )... It took forever but we finally got a thick file which was his record. MUCH OF IT WAS BLACKED OUT.

    But it held important information about how it was and the steps that were taken to secure his release from the Navy in 1942. Please notice that.

    I know for certain that directly after leaving the Navy my Dad traveled to Burbank California and joined the classified section of the Vega Aircraft facility. Meeting him there were a group which I consider to be his " hand picked team." One of them was a man named Beau Kitselman. I am sure if you have read any of my story you understand that my entire family held this man in very high regard. He was a genius.... in fact was even registered and studied as one....but this is the interesting part. According to one of his daughters who was able to secure HIS file during the fifties..... it was almost ENTIRELY BLACKED OUT.

    Now... I don't need to be a genius myself to see that something big was happening here. I KNOW that Beau and my Dad were working together on something but all I have gotten so far are heavily redacted lines on these official papers. I mean... they don't just take out a word or two here or there. They redact whole flipping pages.

    Of course... I wondered recently. Would it be different NOW... Have some of those blackened pages been cleared. If Beaus daughters asked for his records again..... and I asked for Dads.... could we triangulate their activities? And what would that tell us?

    Just running it past some of you because I really do feel that some of the folks that are reading these words might have some wisdom in this direction. Can you share it with me? Thanking you in advance. Linda

  3. #473

    Re: Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

    Does any one know anything about Jeane Manning. She apparently wrote this many years ago and I am impressed with her feel for the material. But I still note that she was influenced by that thin thread of " misinformation" I mentioned before. You can usually find it when you see the words regarding my Dad " went home to rest for six months" That line is directly out of a little yellow book published by AL ( Beau) Kitselman in 1962. THAT my friends was not true. THAT was a cover story......

    Still she soldiered on with a pretty accurate rendition of her impression of " electrogravity".

    Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries -

    I found some things that were misimpressions but generally I think she did a good job with the material that was available to her at the time.

    Now I am wondering... who was she? Is she still alive? Would it be possible to speak with her personally or at the very least..... discover why it was that she felt it was important to write this nice piece.

    Anyone know any more about her?


  4. #474

    Re: Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

    Even his former classmate from officers' candidates school, Admiral Hyman Rickover, discouraged Brown from continuing to explore the dogma-shattering discovery that the force of gravity could be tweaked or even blanked out by the electrical force.

    "Townsend, I'm going to do you a favor and tell you: Don't take this work any further. Drop it."

    Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries -

    Just a couple of comments. Where did she get the information that this conversation ever took place. Who was her source on this?..... she is incorrect above on where Dad knew Rickover. They were not classmates...

    . they were shipmates on the old S48 submarine during a gravitational research cruise linked to Princeton at the time. Rickover was a lieut. JG at the time. The were friends even though Dad was a lowly sailor in grade he also was on the scientific staff. It created difficulties in protocol for the subs company. Sometimes Dad quipped he considered that the only place where he could take his meals would be on the deck!!! hopefully not while the sub was submerged! And he and Rickover shared a very funny experience... something about approaching natives of a nearby island to accuse someone of drowning a cat. It must have been a shock to have the US Navy show up in their harbor, bitching that someone had tied a weight to a poor unfortuneate cat and thrown it into the ocean. The fact was that the crew had caught a big shark and had gutted it.... to see what it had eaten... they discovered this poor cat... swallowed whole. Rickover and Dad decided that they were going to go to the nearby island and complain. Of course it was all very tongue- in- cheek but they played it for all it was worth and really mortified the mayor of the village. Years later they wondered if anyone had ever dared to do that again. Having the US Navy complain about your actions must have made an impression. Anyway.....Dad told that story many times over the years and he said he and Rickover wondered if that island was over run by cats later!

  5. #475

    Re: Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

    "He died feeling that he had lost the battle."

    I have to differ with her here. Dad didn't die feeling that he had "lost the battle". To come to that conclusion you have to understand what his " battle" actually had been. I believe that he felt that he had done everything that he possibly could. He just laid his glasses down on his desk and fell asleep.

    I wrote in my journal that night. "October 27, 1985. Daddy died tonight. He just slept away from us"


  6. #476

    Re: Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

    "Friends say it did not occur to him to ask if the defense industry was already working on electrogravitics, unknown to him. In 1953 he had flown saucer-shaped devices of three feet in diameter in a demonstration for some Air Force officials and men from major aerospace companies. Energized with high voltage, they whizzed around the 50 foot diameter course so fast that the reports of the test were stamped "classified."
    Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries -

    Again I would love to know who those " friends" were who said that something " did not occur" to Townsend Brown. especially when it came to the actions of the US Military. He pretty much had connections that were keeping him well informed. At the time in the private sector he was dealing with Mr. Floyd Odlum ( Convair) and William Lear ( Lear Jet) and others that don't need to be named.... those men were not babes in the woods when it came to what the military was doing and capable of.

    And the " demonstration was held at Barbers Point Naval Air station.... Hawaii.... for several Admirals.... and if I can get farther with my own research.... for the President of the United States at the time ... Harry Truman.

    I think that he kinda knew what the military was doing .


    Just a reaction to her words here....

    Your thoughts? Linda
    Last edited by Linda Brown; May 31st, 2013 at 03:13 PM.

  7. #477

    Re: Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

    Jeane Manning is a powerhouse it seems in the free energy field. This is terrific. If I hadn't been so busy with my head in the sand around here in my desert I would have known that. I will try to contact her and see if she can help me with some of the questions that I had about her article. Linda

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    I have tried requesting my dad's army files and gov't files and have been ignored. I don't have the energy to pursue it right now. Maybe after the steroid shots tomorrow.


  9. #479

    Re: Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

    Thinking of you Special Spirit Cat. Hope that you are feeling better....

    On the trail of your Fathers work. The more black lined -through papers you get in his history....the more you need to investigate.

    I have discovered that Dads best friend, Beau Kitselman had pages and pages that were lined out. And this was during the time when Dads activities were similarly blacked out. Someone , somewhere has made a mistake though.... and thats all we need to decipher the entire mess.

    I find it interesting that for Dads work everyone can agree that there was a very important meeting which can be called the "Pearl Harbor Demonstration"... where he showed his "work" to a couple of high ranking Naval Officers. The FBI names them and says that Beau was the person who set the demonstation up.... YET.... for some reason....... the EXACT date of that demonstration seemed fogged in mystery. I still haven't found it. Some FBI paperwork complains that there was a meeting and then that "Brown" left for California but even they fog out the date of his departure making the comment though that he is " operating in the Twighlight Zone. I thought that was an interesting description to use in 1950-1951. Why has the exact date of that " Demonstration " been so intentionally obscured?

    Sorry, don't really expect anyone out there to answer me.... though if someone could that would be really special. I have sort of been called on the carpet recently because i didn't bother to ask important questions when I had the opportunity....so I am trying to avoid that now.

    Is there anyone out there who feels that they know the story of that "Demonstration" in Pearl Harbor by T. Townsend Brown? Can you share what you know?

    Thought I'd ask anyway!

    Now........ why would that be? That odd blank where information should be?

    I have found strange references in Dads papers however to a meeting that was held where everyone was required to wear " Hawaiian shirts".... even the officers.... this was the evening AFTER the demonstration....was this a way of continuing the discussions and yet obscuring the rank of certain individuals. Why would anyone have a special party on a US Naval base and then obscure the individuals?

    Well, one of the reasons is that they may have been concerned about spies amongst them. But surely a good spy would have known one important person from another. I mean... How many Admirals can you jam into one room and not know who they are?

    Making not too much sense tonight. Its nearly three in the morning ... Cat? Are you feeling better?


  10. #480

    Re: Linda Brown – Daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB)

    I do know that I was the member of a first grade in 1951... I have the picture and the paperwork which mentions of course " The Territory of Hawaii " which certainly dates me HUh.....I do know that Mom and Dad were in Zanesville, Ohio because of a photo of all of us in a local paper announcing Dads return to his hometown. That was 1953... they mention that I am a student in the third grade... so all that lines up....And we spent time in Los Angeles between leaving Hawaii and arriving in Zanesville. The FBI was all over Dad like white on rice...........but their reports are strangely foggy about the activities of his Foundation at the time.... which apparently was conducting even more demonstrations of " Flying discs"... the same kind of demonstration that had been given to the " Brass" at Pearl Harbor.

    The FBI mentions people who attended the Los Angeles demonstrations... One of them was William Lear. Strange.....they mis spell his name " Lehr". Was that intentional?

    And the FBI mentions that there were TWO things demonstrated at the special Pearl Harbor meeting.... Flying discs ( without any moving parts) and a strange communications device..... Yet now in California... Dad is publically showing off the discs.... but no one ever mentions the " communications device" again. Where'd it GO?

    Just musing early in the morning. Anybody know any more than I do? Surely thats easy enough!!! Linda

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