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Thread: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

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    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    And Mikado.... if Dad had resigned due to an actual " homosexual encounter" then explain to me and the reading audience then how he would have been able to report ( within two weeks) to a highly classified section of Vega Aircraft. Surely such a dismissal would have barred him from that? Yet.... thats what happened.

    Paul added " Readers familiar with aviation hisotry will recognize Vega as the forerunner to the famous Lockheed " Skunkworks" aviation laboratory...."

    I think I know why the " Homosexual charge" was mentioned by the FBI....

    But lets ask the readers. REmember its wartime....And Dad was recognized as the " foremost expert in the detection of radar"...... what do YOU think is the rational explanation for what was happening here? Linda

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    " What we find then is not one but two layers of misinformation and the beginnings of a complex and recurring pattern where everything that is " known" about Townsend Brown is actually camouflage for something unknown ( and perhaps unknowable)

    Thats what Paul observed. What do you think? Linda

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    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda Brown View Post
    " What we find then is not one but two layers of misinformation and the beginnings of a complex and recurring pattern where everything that is " known" about Townsend Brown is actually camouflage for something unknown ( and perhaps unknowable)

    Thats what Paul observed. What do you think? Linda
    That "camouflage was placed by Your father and maintained by those who held Him in the highest regard possible.
    Mikados CHEAP shots reflect very darkly upon Him.
    He sought to maintain a secrecy about a subject so bizzare , it allows those who are locked in the physical to take cheap shots.
    I am sure it would have all been like water off a ducks back to Your father and associates.
    Let it be.....same with You.

    hobbit

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    Yes, Hobbit... thank you. Trying to make like a duck here, honest. Cool and hopefully not too ruffled above the waterline, paddling ferociously beneath... and TRYING to let hurtful (and you are right... cheap...) shots roll off my feathers. Thank you for this mornings greeting. It took all of the heat away after reading Mikados statement....Amazing how that worked and I thank you very much.

    Linda

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    This is what the FBI reports had to say about Townsend Brown.

    "At the time of his resignation Subject was radar and Educational Officer, Atlantic Fleet School and was reported to know more about Radar detection than any other individual in the US Navy.

    It was stated that the Subject, in addition to being cognizant of existing radar detection technique, had been engaged in independent research work concerning radar detection and had concerned himself with techniques and theory more advanced than that in present use. He had his own laboratory and had purchased equipment from his own funds for use in experimental work and this equipment was taken by subject when he was detached from the Fleet Service School."


    Now Paul has these comments.... which I thought were really wonderful and echo what I would be saying right now... and anybody with a brain in their head....

    " The first obvious question is " What commander in his right mind let go of the man who knew " More about Radar detection than any individual in the U.S. Navy?' Of course the part about " techniques and theory more advanced than in present use" is the really intriguing proposition ........"

    And contrary to what Mikado wants you to think of Dads departure from the US Navy.... this is what the official FBI records say...

    There was no information of a derogatory nature with respect to the Subjects Americanism and inasmuch as Subject started to work for the Vega Aircraft Corporation very shortly after he returned to California and no more than a month after he left the Navy, there is no evidence which would indicate that Subject has been using his knowledge of radar operations in any way which would be detrimental to the best interests of this country.

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    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda Brown View Post
    This is what the FBI reports had to say about Townsend Brown.

    "At the time of his resignation Subject was radar and Educational Officer, Atlantic Fleet School and was reported to know more about Radar detection than any other individual in the US Navy.

    It was stated that the Subject, in addition to being cognizant of existing radar detection technique, had been engaged in independent research work concerning radar detection and had concerned himself with techniques and theory more advanced than that in present use. He had his own laboratory and had purchased equipment from his own funds for use in experimental work and this equipment was taken by subject when he was detached from the Fleet Service School."


    Now Paul has these comments.... which I thought were really wonderful and echo what I would be saying right now... and anybody with a brain in their head....

    " The first obvious question is " What commander in his right mind let go of the man who knew " More abThere was no information of a derogatory nature with respect to the Subjects Americanism and inasmuch as Subject started to work for the Vega Aircraft Corporation very shortly after he returned to California and no more than a month after he left the Navy, there is no evidence which would indicate that Subject has been using his knowledge of radar operations in any way which would be detrimental to the best interests of this country.
    Please look at those statements carefully. NO EVIDENCE which would indicate that the Subject has been using his knowledge of radar operations in a way which would be detrimental to the best interests of this country......

    And the evidence that he was using it for the benefit of this country..... simply couldn't be talked about.

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    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda Brown View Post
    Everyone. Please READ Paul Schatzkins Chapter 43..." For the Good of the Navy". It is one of his most outstanding chapters.... well written and exhaustively researched.

    I believe you can find a copy here ttbrown.com

    Mikado would like you to dismiss it as fluff that needs his " due diligence" but nothing could be further from the truth. Chapter 46 asks some EXCEPTIONALLY interesting questions....

    I will respond further at a later date but you would do yourselves a favor by reading that chapter.... One of the questions asked in it was pertinent...." Had he sacrificed his own rank and prestige in order to block progress on a most horrid application of the technology?"And I believe he answers that question well. And that question is being further explored now...

    I doubt that Mikado is even familiar with what that Chapter 43 actually says. And he certainly doesn't want you to actually read it. Linda

    Chapter 43, quite familiar with it. I appears that you haven't read it in a very long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Defying Gravity, Chapter 43, page 219
    In a fitness report form filed on June 10, 1940, Lieutenant Brown listed his occupation as
    “Materials and processing engineer” for the Glenn L. Martin Aircraft Co. in Baltimore
    MD
    , where his duties included being “…In charge of inspection and testing of aircraft
    materials and construction, shop processes and special research problems.”
    Want his address? How about the man's name he lived with? How about the length of time he kept a residence at this location?

    I can prove what I say. You can't.

    Mikado

    PS: Sorry it takes so long for me to answer but I do have a life, apparently, you don't for your presence is quite abundant. Guess you will have to wait to hear my responses.

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    Who cares what you have.... or what you think Mikado. You SAY you have a life. Start enjoying it. Linda

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    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda Brown View Post
    Who cares what you have.... or what you think Mikado. You SAY you have a life. Start enjoying it. Linda
    Apparently, you care, for you continue to comment upon my rebuttals to the things you say first. So, the fact that I respond to what you say means I don't have a life or is it you to make the post in the first place?

    I have been enjoying my life and to borrow from you - it is of no concern of yours how I enjoy it! - sounds just like something you would say...doesn't it?

    Mikado

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    Lets stick to the topic.

    Its fascinating to me that the man who helped Beau Kitselman for so many years is now in contact with Raymond now.

    If anyone knows more about what might be called the " Kitselman math" it should be he. So we are all looking forward to more information coming from this source. And it might be able to shed some light on why Dad would have what I have called the "Rain on the Window Papers"... since Beau was with Dad in 1944, when some of those papers were dated.

    I am not sure how much of all of that Beau may have shared with this gentleman but he knew Beau well and whatever information coming from him should be very interesting.

    Linda

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