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Thread: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

  1. #271

    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    Linda, you could be right about the "Zargon" guy. It seems to be all theater. Not sure if John is that big of a deal though for anyone to put forth the effort to coattail on what he has created over the years. It has the look and feel to me anyway as a one man show. Like RdL, aka The Roach... Mr. Lady Gaga back on History's Current Events.

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    Floyd Odlum I believe if this is the same guy I'm thinking of was a Wall Street fancier, ran with Joe Kennedy. He was instrumental in driving Mitt Romany's father's political career, George. Helped the Huntsman family build their fortunes and coincidentally one member of that family ran in the primaries against Mitt.

    All I know is that he was said to be an inside trader, knew right when to pump and dump stock. One company you cited happens to be one of those companies, Atlas.

    He had the rep of a man who knew how to deal insider information in the financial markets for later cashing them in for political favors like with Joe.

    If he seen you as a reasonable prospect for gaining a future potion of political power that could benefit him in enterprise you got the information. If not, you got to to the twist in the winds of change so to speak.


    Ironically he died the same year as Howard Hughes. He was in many ways apart of the same circles of money, power and influence of the industrial war complex as Hughes was so famously known for although I believe Hughes had more of an engineering interest in the aerospace ventures he created where as Odlum seem to be only interested in what profits he could mine out of his ventures in that niche of the spooky black book economy.

    Other than that I really don't know much about the dude.

    If you have things you would like to expound about him here, I'm all eyes...

  2. #272

    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    I have had lunch with the man..... while my Dad was having meetings with him in April of 1967.... He belonged to my Dads Nassau Foundation...He and Dad used to spend alot of time floating around in Floyds super heated pool ( at the end of his life he was striken with horrific arthritus and when I knew him was mainly in a wheelchair.) He asked me once what was the one thing that I would not live without.... and my immediate response was..... HOPE. He smiled a very big smile.

    I have alot to say about Floyd Odlum. He buried the Flying wing... and if it wasn't for his ATLAS corporation we would never have been able to get into space..... He knew things ahead of time....

    This is a VERY big whale we are trying to chew on BobE. I am glad that you are with us. Linda

  3. #273

    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    And yes... I agree with you about Zorgon and his group. Diversions. And they probably don't even know it. Linda

  4. #274

    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda Brown View Post
    I have had lunch with the man..... while my Dad was having meetings with him in April of 1967.... He belonged to my Dads Nassau Foundation...He and Dad used to spend alot of time floating around in Floyds super heated pool ( at the end of his life he was striken with horrific arthritus and when I knew him was mainly in a wheelchair.) He asked me once what was the one thing that I would not live without.... and my immediate response was..... HOPE. He smiled a very big smile.

    I have alot to say about Floyd Odlum. He buried the Flying wing... and if it wasn't for his ATLAS corporation we would never have been able to get into space..... He knew things ahead of time....

    This is a VERY big whale we are trying to chew on BobE. I am glad that you are with us. Linda
    All the same affections, linda.

    Ummm I have a question, you said, "He buried the Flying wing." Wasn't that Jack Northrop's, or are you saying he was the one who had it shelved? According to Jack Northrop they did not have the real time computing capabilities at the time to maintain stability of the aircraft, and that no amount of money could bring such a computing device into existence to keep the YB 49 program running. Later technology evolved and the B2 was born, a version of the YB 49, the flying wing design.

  5. #275

    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda Brown View Post
    And yes... I agree with you about Zorgon and his group. Diversions. And they probably don't even know it. Linda
    Sounds like kids.

  6. #276

    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    On the outside it might have looked like jack Northrop and Floyd Odlum were bitter enemies and maybe Northrop thought that of Odlum but Floyd just happened to know things that Northrop did not at the time. He knew that the Flying Wing was ahead of its time and could not actually be the stable ship that Jack had envisioned Without computers.... which hadn't been developed yet to meet its needs.

    Northrop was given a choice.... join with Odlum or not.....Northrop was a proud man accustomed to having his own way and with a great sense of loyalty to the people beneath him. I believe he said no.
    The representative between the two men is quoted as saying.... " You will be sorry Jack."

    The next day Northrops contract with the Air Force was cancelled. The ships that were still under construction were destroyed on the field. Its a heartbreaking story.

    But in the end.... it all worked out..... In 1967 RAND handed Northrop a unique device..Who put that package together? Floyd Odlum.. a couple of months later they were running tests on it.... and later it turned up in the B2 and other things that have never been publically mentioned.

    Things work out I guess. But my heart still bleeds sometimes for Jack Northrop..... during that period of time. Linda

    ( I am sure that you are enough of an aviation historian BobE to double check the things that I have skipped lightly over here. I could tell you all the specifics of course but its more valuable and means more to each of us if we uncover the information ourselves.)

    And here is a wild card to throw on the table. If you check the Truman papers and his appointment log.... You will see that he had a meeting with Floyd Odlum in 1947. One might just wonder what that was all about? Linda

  7. #277

    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    This might help BobE if you haven't run across this just yet...

    Conspiracy?

    In 1980, Jack Northrop finally told his side of the story to the press. He claimed that the YB-49 program had been cancelled by the Air Force not because of any insoluble technical problems but because he refused to obey an order to merge Northrop with Convair. He said that he had kept quiet all these years because he feared that the Pentagon would boycott his company if he disclosed the story to the public. He claimed that Air Force Secretary Stuart Symington had issued the merger order slightly after Northrop had won the RB-49 contract in June of 1948. Symington claimed at that time that the Air Force could not afford to support any new aircraft companies on its declining post-war budget, and that unless Northrop agreed to the merger, the flying wing bomber would not be built at all. Jack Northrop did meet with Floyd Odlum, head of Atlas Corporation, a Wall Street holding company for Convair, to discuss a possible merger, but the talks went nowhere. Jack Northrop said later that he had built up his company over the years and owed a debt of loyalty to his employees and was not about to have his flying wing built by anyone other than his people working at the Northrop factory in Hawthorne, California. Shortly thereafter, Secretary Symington abruptly ordered that the flying wing program be cancelled. As part of the cancellation order, the Air Force ordered that seven of the Flying Wings then under conversion be destroyed.

    The YB-49 cancellation story became part of a congressional investigation that took place in June of 1949 in the wake of the awarding of the strategic bomber contract to the B-36, with charges of undue influence and favoritism toward Convair being aired. At that time, the Secretary of Defense was Louis A. Johnson, who had replaced James Forrestal on March 28, 1949. On April 23, 1949 Secretary Johnson abruptly cancelled the large aircraft carrier, the *United States*, which had been ordered by his predecessor to provide the Navy with strategic bombing capability, and went ahead with plans for a fleet of B-36D long-range strategic bombers. The Navy was enraged at the cancellation of its supercarrier, but the Air Force insisted that strategic bombing was strictly an Air Force responsibility. At that time, both President Harry Truman and Defense Secretary Johnson were under severe budgetary constraints, and felt that the government could not afford both new strategic bombers and a new carrier force. However, there were doubts expressed that the B-36 could defend itself against Soviet jet fighters, and there were concerns that the Air Force had spent a fortune on what would turn out to be a sitting duck.



    Of course there was much more going on from 1947 onward which has never seen the light of day...But this little piece here will help others seeing that we are not just pulling names out of hats here...
    But what WAS happening was very carefully covered by wild stories of " Flying Saucers"... George Adamskis stories took off and the entire country started looking for aliens.... and they didn't see what was flashing right in their own backyard.

    Except that little crumbs were dropped for the future. In Amys case... it was a loving father who woke her up to talk to her about the word " electrogravitic" Linda

  8. #278

    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    And if anyone wonders what this has to do with " The Rain on the Windows " Papers...

    For me.... perhaps they have been the largest personal gift my Father could give me.... a set of papers that actually has spoken of the future... of the building of a ship.... with help from " Others".... That groups of people scattered around the world would " self organize" to see this happen.... and some of the papers are point by point instructions..... Most of which I still do not understand. Dad wrote one thing though in 1944. He told me that the words I was reading were TRUE. And so my agenda is pretty staightforward though I don't understand most of this....I am simply following directions at this point.

    A Triangle drawn in the dirt. "Where is it?" I asked and " Morgan" said...." It hasn't been built yet"

    Linda

  9. #279

    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    For those of you who don't know who "Morgan" is perhaps I need to explain.

    Very long story cut very short.

    "Morgan" was the name that Paul Schatzkin gave to a character that he met during the writing of the biography of my Dad. ( The Parallel Universe of T. Townsend Brown)

    The man he called " Morgan" was a very important love interest in my life when I was a teenager and actually the relationship that he and I developed during the sixties had no actual contractual right to be included in a biography of my Dad....much of it was drawn from my private journals, letters and remembrances.... the link however to my Dad became impossible to dismiss though because " Morgan" eventually turned his back on our personal relationship to follow the work that Dad was into.... and that meant going behind a very dark curtain.

    He " stepped back into my life to help with Pauls book....and then later to encourage my Memoir and now.... to encourage further disclosures. He has found many different names.....Paul called him "Morgan" ( and I think he actually liked that name!).... in my Memoir ( The Good-Bye Man) Jan and I settled on the name JD Garrett.... He has come into my life in many different forms and I love and honor all of them..........

    Just trying to explain who this " Morgan" is.....

    I thought that he had been killed in 1987...... Until he walked up to me here in the desert.... very much alive.... and with PLANS. Watch out when this man has PLANS.

    Thats when he drew that triangle in the dirt for me.........

    Trying to make a very long story very short.... ah.... impossible.....

    For those not aware of the Memoir I wrote.... I simply covered the span of time and the events that happened from the time that Paul Schatzkin contacted me about writing a biography of my Dad.... to the point where Paul threw up his hands and walked away mysteriously from the project... publishing the completed but unedited manuscript just as it was....... anyway.... thats what the Good-Bye Man is all about. Its an easy download Ebook

    Smashwords — The Good-Bye Man — A book by Linda Brown

    But I must tell you that I am not entirely pleased with it.... I left so much out.... and I have vowed to go back and rewrite much of the material.... but it is what it is for now..... The rewrite will be a hard copy book and will include so much more information because it will not stop where Paul did... but continue. Linda

  10. #280

    Re: Linda Brown's "Rain On The Windows Papers" - A Continuation

    Oh, and I meant to thank all of you who were interested in downloading sections of " The Good-Bye Man"... its nice to know that I don't have to repeat myself entirely.

    That book took Jan and me a year to write ( I wrote it but she had to edit the heck out of it! It would have been a long winded shambles without her fine hand!....). We worked hard and getting it out there was a major accomplishment. We were extremely diligent about maintaining the proper Point of View....( In other words.... though NOW I know alot was happening in 1955 through my recent research I really did not involve myself in those observations.... because AT THE TIME, in 1955.. I was just nine years old...so I spoke about what I saw and felt at that age....sometimes it was difficult to do that because (as you all can imagine with all of the constant moves and new classmates... I was sometimes a very lonely little girl)..I believe though that I captured what was visible to me at the time....and as I moved into my teenage years of course I was focused on the fellow that Paul had decided to call " Morgan"....later I was able to observe " Morgans" re-entry into my life....

    All that happened a few years ago and many things have developed....and my attitudes and observations NOW are just as valuable when I was locked in that earlier " point of view"....

    I am going to have to devise a way to go back over all of that material and mention what I know NOW... its going to be a challenge and " Logan" (the fellow that Paul Schatzkin chose to name " Morgan") has told me already that this will be a more difficult challenge than I have ever faced before.... but that it will be the most important. I entirely believe him.

    I know that there will be many who would rather not see this work progress. Mikado has made his stand very obvious.... but he and the others should know that I don't back off and " terrier like" <g> I am fairly resolute.

    Anyway... thank you for taking a look at sections of The Good-Bye Man. Try to imagine what it might be like with hand picked photograghs and my current view of things. I think that I might have to break it into episodes because I can't imagine being able to cover all of this material in one book... Just sort of warning you guys ahead!

    Thanks for the interest... ahead of time. Linda

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