Connecting the dots between George Adamski, Thomas Townsend Brown and Linda Brown

Researching George Adamski and how I became aware of Linda Brown.

March 22, 2013
Having just finished a careful rereading of George Adamski’s 1961 book "Flying Saucers Farewell", I feel ready to enter the 'Lady of Light Forum', which is dedicated to Linda Brown’s issues, particularly her attempts to understand and evaluate (if not also validate) the work and intentions of her enigmatic father, Thomas Townsend Brown (TTB).

On page 190, at the Conclusion of Adamski’s aforementioned book, he says:

The knowledge shared by our space brothers must now be put to work. I have been advised to proceed in two fields that are vital to our progress—space philosophy and technology—which, we will learn, are inseparable in establishing a peaceful, productive society.

The information conveyed to us must be put to peaceful productive use, that we might in time achieve the same dignified existence enjoyed by men of other planets.

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It appears to me, in reading early editions of Linda Brown’s memoirs, that TTB was in contact with the space brothers as early as 1928, well before Adamski’s first encounter with them in a southern California desert on November 20, 1952.

First, I need to get this impression verified.

Second, given the above quote by Adamski, I need to ask Linda why her father would have dealings with military people such as General Curtis LeMay, since Adamski’s space people made it clear that their intentions are strictly peaceful.

Third, when did Adamski and TTB first meet--if they ever did?

Fourth, how does the Mormon factor fit in—if it does?

Hello Orpheo and welcome to Lady of Lights Forum. Thank you for taking an interest in my Dads work and efforts.

I will answer your questions quickly at first and then try to come back in more detail later tonight.

Are you asking my impression that Dad was in contact with " the Brothers" as early as in the twenties. I am not sure that he would have called the " Entities " by that name but he very particularly felt that somehow another intelligence was interacting with him through his dreams. Mother even spoke of that when I asked her about some of her first dates with Dad.... that he had told her that he was experiencing dreams and a flow of information that he could not explain.

The " dealings" with Curtis LeMay came through Dads contact with a multimillionaire by the name of
Floyd Odlum. Floyd owned a " holding company" by the name of ATLAS..... we can talk about this later but if it hadn't been for him this country would not have gotten into the space race. The early missiles were named ATLAS because of his influence and input.....As bombastic as Curtis LeMay was..... in Mr. Odlums company ( and I was pleased to see) in Dads company.... he was a puppydog. I am not sure what that said about the dynamics involved because I was never privy to that information.


I was never told that they ever met.... but I suspect that they did. The little model disc that I remember playing with as a child Dad always called the Adamski Scout Ship.... ( you can see pictures of it in the oil bath test unit....I wasn't supposed to play with it... the year was 1953 though and it was neat..... I am not sure when the photo of that same ship was produced and honestly I can not tell you which came first... the chicken or the egg. I have always suspected that when Adamski mentioned meeting those who encouraged him to get a high powered telescope and to study one section of the sky carefully..... that one of those men was Dad... Unable to prove that yet.

Computer is getting strange so I will get back to you on this before I lose everything! Welcome.. Linda

Of course I meant that I do not know if Adamski and my Dad ever met.... I do know that Adamski visited the Bahnson Lab just a few weeks after Dad left in 1958.... that is mentioned in the Bahnson Lab notes that were offered to me a couple of years ago. Agnew Bahnson spends half a page also lamenting the fact that " The Brothers" hadn't been in contact for awhile and he missed them.

He also told J. Frank King.... his brother in law that the " Brothers" had told him to find Townsend Brown.... that he was the man that he needed for his project. I believe that Stan Deyo ( a film maker from Australia has J. Frank King on film saying that exact same thing.... that he had been " missioned" to find Townsend Brown and bring him in to help with the research. I haven't seen it for a very long time but I believe that the film was called " The Cosmic Conspiracy". Now if I press Post will it actually do that? Linda

Yea!!!!! As you will find .... I have a love hate relationship with my computer!!!! Linda

And as far as the "Mormon Factor" is concerned..... other than the fact that William Moore is rumored to be involved in a project regarding something to do with the Book of Mormon..... ( which has to be an odd combination for his interests and past history, doesn't it?) I REALLY don't have a clue.

Anybody else out there know anything at all about what William Moore is doing now? And if you are reading this Bill.....please join us! Information is always more interesting first hand. Linda

Linda, do you know about George Adamski Foundation? Managed by the Steckling family. Not sure how they came into possession of the Adamski material, but I have just viewed a 2008 film recommended by Glen Steckling, son of the late Fred Steckling, called "When the Earth Stood Still", a remake of a 1951 film of the same title. I have been in contact with Glen as of earlier today after having found him by accessing the George Adamski Foundation website and sending him an email, which he answered. More later with many more connecting dots!!

Orpheo3... that remake was good but NOTHING to compare with the original Michael Rennie (sp?) released in 1951. I was told by Beau Kitselman that Dad actually closed the entire lab so that all of the men working there could go to see that movie and that they all went together....

Thats the only way that I know that Dad had 15 scientists working for him at the time.... because Beau mentioned that number....So I have always considered that Dad felt that first movie was so exceptional.
I remember seeing it when we moved to Washington and I was so taken with it that I of course memorized his message to Gort.... still remember it.... Just in case!!!

One of the men in that theatre party was Bradford Shank.... the man who was involved in the Manhattan Project during the war. Another strange connecting dot!

I haven't contacted the Foundation but I am so very glad that someone is protecting the information that was available. My impression always was that Dad thought the man was quite a hero but he never explained to me why he felt that way. I am beginning to understand though now.... finally........ Linda

THAT HE HAD BEEN ADVISED

MY QUESTION IS.....

BY WHOM.

And here we go Orpheo..... back to Charlotte.... and " Nassau"

returning. returning, returning.

And the odd thing is............... years and years later........... the message has not changed.
Linda

Adamskis words again thanks to Orpheos quote from his book....

"The knowledge shared by our space brothers must now be put to work. I have been advised to proceed in two fields that are vital to our progress—space philosophy and technology—which, we will learn, are inseparable in establishing a peaceful, productive society."

And thats what needs to be discussed......" space philosophy"..... which I am sure has a vastly different meaning than we first expect and technology.... because as Logan once told me.... "We are hovering right now on the edge of the same important development that fire was to the caveman. Nothing less than that."

And I have resigned myself to the idea that this is not something that will happen overnight and if it means that many will spend their lives seeing to this successful changeover.... then they will be lives well spent. Linda

OK, Linda, here we have something very specific to focus on: "Space philosophy and technology"!

Having lived in legendary Los Alamos for almost 20 years now, I seem to be in a unique position to have such discussions with scientific movers and shakers in this historic, notorious town. I will look for an opening.

Glen Steckling called me an hour ago and left a VOX when I did not pick up (thinking the call was from a friend whom we could call back later). He will call again at the end of this coming week. However, before he and I talk, let's see if we can get some more dots connected. I will start with where I was when the 1951 film of "When the Earth Stood Still" was first released, which was in Phoenix, having just graduated from high school. And then, when Adamski was first contacted by ETs (Nov 20, 1952), I was a freshman at BYU just before joining the US Army in early 1953, which you know about. Then, when Adamski went on his world tour in 1959, I was an engineering student at UC Berkeley, having previously had a classified, clandestine assignment at the Berlin Tunnel, which your father visited in March 1956. The 'pop-up' messages I mentioned to you in our private correspondence seem to be relevant here. Until you told me about your father's visit to the tunnel and speculated on a different source of that information, I had concluded that it came from closet KGB Orthodox believers. However, your theory makes more sense!

I know this exchange may seem quite crazy to some readers, but it's worth risking, I think.

During this next week and before my conversation with Steckling, I intend to flesh out two lines of consideration: 1) dreams as a legitimate source of ET info; 2) what I see as "the Mormon factor". Perhaps you can contact Charlotte Bloget?

Also, I'd like to review the four significant dreams you have already shared with me, which I believe are loaded with insights!

hahahahaha Did anyone see the ad that has shown up at the top of this thread.... A video ad for " Captain Morgans Rum.... of course I can't see it.... but the cosmic haha of it has made enough of an impression on me!!!!!! Linda

Having now talked to Steckling at length, had further private communication with you, Linda, and further conversation with a knowledgeable retiree friend from LANL, I have become aware of at least two groups of ETs, one of which are "ours", as your father mentioned, and another with an intrusive agenda, mentioned by Bud Hopkins, John Mack and David Jacobs, which likely is tied to the "Mormon factor". This is by no means the end of the story, but it does suggest that I put a pause on our exchanges in this "safe site" for now.

But before I go, I want to say something about your exchanges with "Mikado", which I found surprising and puzzling. I don't have interest enough to chase him down on other threads, but I would like to know his purpose. Do you know it? Has he spelled it out anywhere? In any case, I don't understand why you give him any attention at all! Being defensive only energizes him at your expense. There are better ways to invest your energy than playing such mind games.

You didn't ask for my advice, so I apologize in advance if it isn't useful.

Orpheo3 said:

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But before I go, I want to say something about your exchanges with "Mikado", which I found surprising and puzzling. I don't have interest enough to chase him down on other threads, but I would like to know his purpose. Do you know it? Has he spelled it out anywhere? In any case, I don't understand why you give him any attention at all! Being defensive only energizes him at your expense. There are better ways to invest your energy than playing such mind games.

You didn't ask for my advice, so I apologize in advance if it isn't useful.

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Someone sent this link to me in an email today, thought I would check it out.

Hello Orpheo3.

You appear to be intellectually inquisitive. After reading what you have posted, I find that there appears, on the surface, that something doesn't seem right.

I noticed that you are very objective in your posts in looking up information. You state that you will look elsewhere for information prior to asking Linda any questions which I might add, substantiates the fact in that you appear to be an objective individual.

Now here is the rub, you then ask Linda as to my purpose. If you take the time to seek answers from another source prior to asking Linda any questions in regard to the topic at hand, why wouldn't you do likewise when it is about other subjects such as the above?

I will give you an answer to your question and I will put it succinctly. As long as she continues to post in a sociopathic manner, I will continue to rebut what she posts. She doesn't post about me, I won't post a rebuttal. Really quite simple.

Otherwise......Caveat Emptor

Best,

Mikado

The quote from Orpheo March 30th included this comment

"But before I go, I want to say something about your exchanges with "Mikado", which I found surprising and puzzling. I don't have interest enough to chase him down on other threads, but I would like to know his purpose. Do you know it? Has he spelled it out anywhere? In any case, I don't understand why you give him any attention at all! Being defensive only energizes him at your expense. There are better ways to invest your energy than playing such mind games"

I know that I answered him privately but note here that I did not respond in this thread.

Do I know Mikados purpose? No
Has he spelled it out anywhere? He has said that he wants to protect Paul Schatzkin and also my Dads work from being misrepresented but as far as I can see those who represent Dads work and Paul himself are not at all interested in having Mikados input. I have always suspected that when someone wages a public war with another they have an agenda somewhere. Like you.... I have lost the energy and interest to pursue it.
Why do I give him any attention at all?" I shouldn't, because no one else is and you are right... he goes to great lengths to bait me and then draw from my responses. ( Note the latest message from Mikado... he had to dig back to March to find something that he could comment on...)

Looking forward to spending my time more productively elsewhere.....

See you soon. Linda

Mikado,

You are the very model of a modern Mr Punch.
Pop up every now and then to bop Linda on the head.

While I am on this particular thread I wanted to note that I have some of the Bahnson labnotes ( written by Agnew himself) and there are MANY instances where he mentions meetings with " The Brothers".

Now of course we all know that he knew George Adamski well and when George mentioned " the Brothers" he was pushing the idea of fellows from Venus and beyond but it is not so clear to me that Bahnson had the same meaning attached to his words.

He uses the phrase also " The boys Topside" which I think is a decidedly Naval Term and oddly is the same phrase that the Canadian Wibert Smith used when he began his project investigating UFO propulsion systems in the fifties. I need to also note that the little dots that I have here put my Dad and Dr. Sarbacher meeting on the same day that Smith died..(I have his daybook with the meeting in his own writing)..

I have not been able to prove it yet but I believe that they were honoring their old friend and associate......The note about there being a project in existance in the fifties that was "more secret than the bomb" was never meant to see the light of day.....but somehow was leaked. It makes an interesting study of what was going on both " Topside" and below during the fifties. And Agnew Bahnson was right in the middle of things.

For those of you who are new to this story just google Sarbacher Wibert Smith and take your pick of things that will come up regarding flying saucers and secret projects.

Linda

I agree with you Hobbit... Mikado just can't seem to help himself can he? Linda

Orpheo3 said:

Having now talked to Steckling at length, had further private communication with you, Linda, and further conversation with a knowledgeable retiree friend from LANL, I have become aware of at least two groups of ETs, one of which are "ours", as your father mentioned, and another with an intrusive agenda, mentioned by Bud Hopkins, John Mack and David Jacobs, which likely is tied to the "Mormon factor". This is by no means the end of the story, but it does suggest that I put a pause on our exchanges in this "safe site" for now.

But before I go, I want to say something about your exchanges with "Mikado", which I found surprising and puzzling. I don't have interest enough to chase him down on other threads, but I would like to know his purpose. Do you know it? Has he spelled it out anywhere? In any case, I don't understand why you give him any attention at all! Being defensive only energizes him at your expense. There are better ways to invest your energy than playing such mind games.

You didn't ask for my advice, so I apologize in advance if it isn't useful.

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I wanted all of those reading this to pay particular and very close attention to what Orpheo3 has actually said here and the meaning of it.

Having now talked to Steckling at length, had further private communication with you, Linda, and further conversation with a knowledgeable retiree friend from LANL, I have become aware of at least two groups of ETs, one of which are "ours", as your father mentioned, and another with an intrusive agenda, mentioned by Bud Hopkins, John Mack and David Jacobs, which likely is tied to the "Mormon factor".

Then note how NO ONE picked up on what he had said..... except for Mikado who veered the conversation to his own ego centric world.

I suggest we all start really paying attention to what has been obvious perhaps through the years. I have avoided jumping into these subjects because I have seen how people react when they are given information that is frightening and strange..... and I didn't want to become someones target..... But the warning bells are sounding....

Orpheo3 is most likely not even reading this any more and he had already had decided to refrain from posting more here..and to go dark, . because of what he had discovered for himself. Its important enough to go quiet for a bit..... Look again at what he said here. And no one even said anything about his revealation.

Is it because we all agreed silently with him? Do we all somehow recognize the truth of it? Its not worth a discussion? If there are some that worked with Dad and could be called our " friends" then what about the others?

Linda Brown,

I can't remember even seeing this thread???

I have known for a long time that You remembered what to say to the robot, just in case .
Have We explored any connections to Admiral Bird and Your father???
Our friends may be within?
hobbit

Dad was invited to go on one of those Byrd Espeditions ( I think his name was spelled that way Hobbit but your " Bird" might be right.... I will post a link to his expedition soon....thanks for the mention of it)

but turned it down because he was offered the cruise in the warm waters of the Bahamas at the same time. Most of you know my Dad well enough now to know that there was no difficult decision on his part. He LIKED warm blue water and white sand and avoided snow and cold absolutely.... so his choice was easy for him.

However, keep your eyes on what was going on in the polar regions because there are other connections to his work there, especially later with the nuclear submarines plying under the surfaces.
Note that the man in charge of the Nautilus was also with Dad in that first sub ( the S48) in the early thirties. And according to the researcher Jeanne Manning Admiral Rickover and my Dad were on a first name basis even twenty years later.

Something going on here just beneath the surface.... but the bubbles are reaching the surface. Linda