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Thread: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

  1. #41

    Re: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

    Can I borrow the " Whatever" AMY? When it comes to all of Mikados statements... its the only thing that is appropriate.

    Getting back to your Dad working in " electrogravitics" I think I remember that you did at one time state what company her worked for and where that was but that was on the early Pegasus group I think ... anyway most of that is lost to most of us for one reason or another.... could you restate here what you remember?

    La Jolla has been coming up more and more in some of my back channels communications..... Do you remember being there?

    I know that we might draw blanks but others are watching what we are saying here now and SOME of them just might be able to add to the conversation regarding the work that was going on in Southern California regarding electrogravitics.

    We just have to stay on course and not let Mikado lead us away from the target. Linda

  2. #42

    Re: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

    And don't be surprised if Mikado turns his dismissive attitude toward you. He can be charming... Just keep telling yourself what a charming person he is...<g>

    An associate of Beau Kitselmans has stepped forward to help us out with more information. It may be that you and he have much to talk about in the future because I believe that he is very interested in economics also.... He has been in communication both with Raymond and Rose so far and I really can't wait to see what develops.....

    We are all centered here now for some reason... its going to be exciting to see what information starts bubbling to the surface now.

    Linda
    Last edited by Linda Brown; January 4th, 2013 at 06:02 PM.

  3. #43

    Re: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

    "Here, let me help you - Chatty Cathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Chatty Kathy was a doll made by Mattel. No, I don't believe you ever did play with dolls, just boys. As to "Bruce", why do you fend ignorance? You don't do it so very well but for the sake of the readers - Bruce Cathie - Bruce Cathie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Mikado.... you are embarrassing yourself. Linda

  4. #44

    Re: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda Brown View Post
    Can I borrow the " Whatever" AMY? When it comes to all of Mikados statements... its the only thing that is appropriate.
    I hold no copyright... [smile]

    Getting back to your Dad working in " electrogravitics" I think I remember that you did at one time state what company her worked for and where that was but that was on the early Pegasus group I think ... anyway most of that is lost to most of us for one reason or another.... could you restate here what you remember?
    And as I recall, when I answered, because of all the personal info, My reply was pulled off the open board... I will say: We lived in San Diego - Pacific Beach, specifically - and My dad worked in Mira Mesa. I do believe We figured that if that's where He worked and if He was an electrical engineer (which He was - grad of Cal Tech), Our fathers worked together. You brought up some names, one of which was Beau, and then there was La Jolla - where My dad spend a fair amount of time visiting someOne... We talked about that, too. And I would wager a lot of money (if I had any) that "the boat" was the Caroline.

    La Jolla has been coming up more and more in some of my back channels communications..... Do you remember being there?
    Absolutely - though not when Dad would be visiting there. Our house was just the PB side of the border with La Jolla.

    I know that we might draw blanks but others are watching what we are saying here now and SOME of them just might be able to add to the conversation regarding the work that was going on in Southern California regarding electrogravitics.
    Well... I KNOW said work was being done. As I said, Dad would come home and try to teach Me - I was really too young to grasp what He was trying to teach, but I did not have issues understanding "flying saucers" - which He would jokingly refer to the items He was experimenting with as - and I have one memory, I was about 2, that stuck with Me of Dad beaming at Me, so VERY proud of Me - though I couldn't remember what I had done, and when I encountered "electrogravitics" in LaViolette's book, Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, that memory popped in so clearly: Dad had asked Me if I could say "electrogravitics." And... I did. For a two-year-old, that was a decent feat, and so... Dad beamed at Me with such pride.

    We just have to stay on course and not let Mikado lead us away from the target. Linda
    Ah, He won't get to Me. [smile]
    "If the universe is made of mostly dark energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"
    "If You want Peace, take the profit out of war."
    "Information will free Us."

  5. #45

    Re: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

    Well... I can save you some money on that bet! The Caroline was in operation in the thirties.... by the time your Dad was working with mine she had been sold... though I don't think that she was broken up until some time in the sixties. A grand ship like the Caroline was alright for her times ( In the thirties she was second in length only to JP Morgans yacht... the Corsair I think its name was.... anyway.... Dads career with the Group started on that ship.... so you still may be somewhat right... even though they would not have been still meeting on that grand ship.... and the group would have changed.... still perhaps we are still looking at what might be called the " Caroline Connections".

    Paul called it the Caroline Group. That was in the thirties. In the sixties I named the same interests " Nassau".... I have no idea what they called themselves or if they even gave themselves a name. They were definitely not the kind of " club" that had a membership list or anything like that....

    But boating was one of the things that most of them enjoyed and being on the water was very important.... La Jolla stands out of course because thats where Beau spent most of his time. San Diego of course because of the Navy but also because of Mr. Odlums interests in Convair....

    Somewhere in that tangle we will find the common golden thread and we will know it when we hit it! Linda

  6. #46

    Re: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

    A message here to Beaus friend and associate...." in Mira Mesa" Does that ring any bells at all with you??? What was in Mira Mesa????

    BobE...have any input? Linda

  7. #47

    Re: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda Brown View Post
    Well... I can save you some money on that bet! The Caroline was in operation in the thirties.... by the time your Dad was working with mine she had been sold... though I don't think that she was broken up until some time in the sixties. A grand ship like the Caroline was alright for her times ( In the thirties she was second in length only to JP Morgans yacht... the Corsair I think its name was.... anyway.... Dads career with the Group started on that ship.... so you still may be somewhat right... even though they would not have been still meeting on that grand ship.... and the group would have changed.... still perhaps we are still looking at what might be called the " Caroline Connections".

    Paul called it the Caroline Group. That was in the thirties. In the sixties I named the same interests " Nassau".... I have no idea what they called themselves or if they even gave themselves a name. They were definitely not the kind of " club" that had a membership list or anything like that....

    But boating was one of the things that most of them enjoyed and being on the water was very important.... La Jolla stands out of course because thats where Beau spent most of his time. San Diego of course because of the Navy but also because of Mr. Odlums interests in Convair....

    Somewhere in that tangle we will find the common golden thread and we will know it when we hit it! Linda
    Well... Dad's meetings on "the boat" were in the mid to late '60's. [shrug] And You nailed the company Dad worked for (may have been Mira Mar - I always got Mira Mesa and Mira Mar mixed up).
    "If the universe is made of mostly dark energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"
    "If You want Peace, take the profit out of war."
    "Information will free Us."

  8. #48

    Re: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

    You said "Well... Dad's meetings on "the boat" were in the mid to late '60's

    I know that Dads association with the " Nassau" Group renewed and strengthened in 1962 and something important and very secretive was happening because thats when Charles Miller came to stay with us... for a time Mother and I stayed on a small island north of Nassau while Dad was on " business meetings" in New York City.I discovered later that Charles was there as our " protection"... I have put together that Dad was setting up for the next Project then.....while working( on the surface) on something he called the " fan precipitator". I discovered later that the " fan precipitator" was not simply an air mover but represented a technology that was very secret at the time. Mr. Odlum eventually introduced it ( Through the RAND Corporation) to be developed into a system on the B2. I have a conclusive strand to follow from his involvement to the time that they started running tests on the " leading edge" technology.....which I understand is a component of what they call their " stealth technology now"

    You say.... Mid to late 60s... the timing is perfect because Dad was constantly going to California during those years and eventually Mom and I joined him in January of 1967. That special "Luncheon" meeting with Mr. Odlum was on April 15th, 1967. By that summer the "project" was operating quietly at a company called " Guidence Technology" in Santa Monica ( an Odlum controlled entity).... by November of that year the demonstration was held at RAND and immediately afterward Dad announced that the project was being " closed down" and that I should consider another life for myself.

    ( Some might have thought that was crushing news but actually I was happy to be freed of the responsibility and given a chance to start a different life! I met the man who was to become my husband that very same month!.).....

    Not long after all of this GTI declared bankruptcy but still were required to honor their contract with Dad which called for a monthly payment to Dad.....which was never to stop.... and though it was sometimes late. It never did.... Dad credited Mr. Odlum for making those arrangements....which allowed him to continue his research even though the Company had discintigrated.

    Getting back to you and your Dad... I truly think that the only way that he could leave you with information about " electrogravity" was to introduce it the way that he did.... you were so young that no one would have suspected that you held information safe..... but you were impressionable enough to remember. You were probably the only person in the whole world that he could tell what was happening....
    Last edited by Linda Brown; January 4th, 2013 at 11:42 PM. Reason: typos!

  9. #49

    Re: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

    This is a crossing of information here but since the area was mentioned this needs to be here,,,

    Conspiracy?

    and take a look at this AMY

    "In 1980, Jack Northrop finally told his side of the story to the press. He claimed that the YB-49 program had been cancelled by the Air Force not because of any insoluble technical problems but because he refused to obey an order to merge Northrop with Convair. He said that he had kept quiet all these years because he feared that the Pentagon would boycott his company if he disclosed the story to the public. He claimed that Air Force Secretary Stuart Symington had issued the merger order slightly after Northrop had won the RB-49 contract in June of 1948. Symington claimed at that time that the Air Force could not afford to support any new aircraft companies on its declining post-war budget, and that unless Northrop agreed to the merger, the flying wing bomber would not be built at all. Jack Northrop did meet with Floyd Odlum, head of Atlas Corporation, a Wall Street holding company for Convair, to discuss a possible merger, but the talks went nowhere. Jack Northrop said later that he had built up his company over the years and owed a debt of loyalty to his employees and was not about to have his flying wing built by anyone other than his people working at the Northrop factory in Hawthorne, California. Shortly thereafter, Secretary Symington abruptly ordered that the flying wing program be cancelled. As part of the cancellation order, the Air Force ordered that seven of the Flying Wings then under conversion be destroyed.

    The YB-49 cancellation story became part of a congressional investigation that took place in June of 1949 in the wake of the awarding of the strategic bomber contract to the B-36, with charges of undue influence and favoritism toward Convair being aired. At that time, the Secretary of Defense was Louis A. Johnson, who had replaced James Forrestal on March 28, 1949. On April 23, 1949 Secretary Johnson abruptly cancelled the large aircraft carrier, the *United States*, which had been ordered by his predecessor to provide the Navy with strategic bombing capability, and went ahead with plans for a fleet of B-36D long-range strategic bombers. The Navy was enraged at the cancellation of its supercarrier, but the Air Force insisted that strategic bombing was strictly an Air Force responsibility. At that time, both President Harry Truman and Defense Secretary Johnson were under severe budgetary constraints, and felt that the government could not afford both new strategic bombers and a new carrier force. However, there were doubts expressed that the B-36 could defend itself against Soviet jet fighters, and there were concerns that the Air Force had spent a fortune on what would turn out to be a sitting duck.

  10. #50

    Re: TT Brown, a Counter-Intelligence Operative?

    This may seem off topic but its on a thread also with BobEs interest and actually has alot to do with what your Dad was doing AMY. Sometimes we just have to look at all of the little dots at once to see what was REALLY happening behind the scenes. This was not ( IS NOT) a little project. Linda

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