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    West: We support democracy but ‘without Islamists’

    The hypocrisy of the ‘democracy’ of the Western leaders has always been obvious, especially when it concerns Muslim world. In this case the western definition of ‘democracy’ has always been “Muslim must elect a regime which is pro-West, secularist and anti-Islamist”. It’s okey to have extremist Evangelist and fanatic Jewish groups running governments in the West and Israel – but it’s not okey for practicing Muslims to rule Muslim-majority countries.

    Currently, the world is witnessing this western hypocrisy in Tunisia, Egypt and Yemen. All western leaders, without exception, had supported pro-Western dictators in both Tunisia and Egypt during the early stage of people’s revolution but when they realized that the stooges cannot hold the power any longer - they switched to supporting the ‘democracy’. However, there are some exceptions, such as, Joe Biden, Tony Blair and Stephen Harper who still believe that Arab countries surrounding Israel are not ready for ‘democracy’, because every time they’re given the chance – they had elected the wrong people, the Islamists.

    Western leaders are affraid that even the marginalized ‘Islamists’ – Ennahda (Tunisia) and Muslim Brotherhood (Egypt) may turn out to be the ‘king-makers’, like Hizbullah in Lebanon. Interestingly, on February 10, 2011 – the Israel Lobby’s approved US Director of National Intellegence, James Clapper, told House Intelligence Committee that Muslim Brotherhood is strictly Kosher (it hates military resistance against Israel).

    Western leaders prefer hereditary ‘democracy’ or ‘roylty’ in Muslim world. Among Israeli neighbors – West liked Hafiz Assad transfering power to his son Bashar, King Hussein transfering power to his son King Abdullah II, Yassar Arafat appointing his deputy Mahmoud Abbas to head PA and were hoping Hosni Mubarak’s son will become the next ruler of Egypt. They never liked the transfer of power in Islamic Iran, where the ruler changes every four-eight year and neither Imam Khomeini or Ayatullah Khamenei groomed their sons to be the next Leader of Islamic Revolution.

    When the Algerian Islamic Salvation Front routed out the secular ruling party in 1992 elections – Paris-Washington-Tel Aviv engineered a military coup against the Islamists (more than 70% of the MPs were western educated and dozens of them holding PhDs). Since then Algeria has been in civil war with more than 70,000 people dead.

    Palestinian Islamic Resistance Hamas won majority of seats in PA parliament in 2006 elections monitored by international groups and the former US President Jimmy Carter. The result – Zionist entity called for sanctions against the elected government and its stooges in the US, Germany, France, Britain and the EU followed their ‘Master’.

    Hizbullah-led Opposition group won 53.4% of the total vote cast in June 2009 election. However, the US-French-Saudi Arabia robbed the victory by buying out the alliance of pro-Israel Phalangist Christians (Sami Geagea bloc) and Druze (Jumblatt bloc). This time Jumblatt is with Hizbullah-led group and has called the US-sponsored Special Tribune for Lebanon (STL) as “US-Israeli tool for destruction”.

    When Dr. Ahmadinejad was re-elected with 62% majority vote – CIA-Mossad-MI6 engineered the so-called Green Revolution, part of Dubya Bush’s $400 million fund to bring-in a pro-Israel regime-change in Tehran. On February 13, 2011 – Israeli political analyst, Aluf Benn lamented in daily Ha’aretz that without Mubarak, there is no attack on Islamic Republic.

    “The revolutionaries at Tahrir Square were motivated by Egyptian national pride and not by their adoration of the Islamic Revolution in Iran. Whoever succeeds Mubarak will want to follow this line, even bolster Egyptian nationalism, and not transform Egypt into an Iranian satellite. This does not mean that Mubarak’s successor will encourage Israel to strike the Iranian nuclear installations. On the contrary: they will listen to Arab public opinion, which opposes a preemptive war against Iran,” Aluf wrote.

    According to several polls taken last year – over 87% of Arab believe that Tehran has every right to carry-on its nuclear program. Al-Jazeera took a poll last year, which showed that 78% of Arabs believe Israel was behind the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri in 2005.

    Rumour is passing on internet that western intelligence agencies are looking for some mentally drained person who can set-up himself on fire in Tehran like one did in Tunisia, to start a new ‘Green Revolution’ in Iran for supporting protests against Hosni Mubarak’s regime.

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    Islam is nothing but fundamentalism!

    FACE IT! Islam is nothing but fundamentalism!
    Human rights in Saudi Arabia are, in principle, non-existent! Why? Because of Islam!

    2005 Saudi Arabia was designated a "Tier 3" country (i.e. countries whose governments do not comply with the minimum standards of negative human rights and are not even making efforts to do so. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have repeatedly criticized islamofascist Saudi Arabia. Saudi women face severe discrimination, e.g. in education, employment, and the justice system and are regarded as inferior to men. This is because Saudi Arabia adhere to Islamic precepts that are also exported globally and are followed by al-Qa'ida etc Sunni fundamentalists.

    According to Islam women are much more emotional than men and may therefore distort their testimony, e.g. in trials. As women do not participate in public life (compare Sweden's Sunni state imam Leif "Kielan" Karlsson:"Women should not be allowed a social life outside home") they will also not be capable of understanding what they observe (sex segregation). Islamic women hence are completely dominated by men, who by Allah are deemed superior, and therefore women will give testimony according to what the last man told them. According to Islam, women are also more forgetful than men. As a consequence Islamic women are particularly vulnerable in cases of assault/rape, as their testimony is treated as a presumption, while that of their attackers is accepted as fact.

    According to the UN Security Council, al-Qa'ida & Co collect huge amounts from Saudi charities and private donors. According to the US Treasury there are "concerns" over "deep-pocket donors" and the abuse of charities to fund terrorists.

    Did you know that the United Nations Human Rights Council, which stated purpose is to address human rights violations, is now ruled by Saudi Arabia & Co islamo-fascist member states that give human rights no meaning at all! And did you know that, while the Darfur genocide is going on, it is busy with two things: A) spitting on the only Mideast democracy, Israel (and no one else), and making criticism of Islam illegal!!!!!

    Why is this fascism allowed? Yes, oil & oil money!

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    Re: Islam is nothing but fundamentalism!

    by Gilad Atzmon, an Israeli Jewish blogger

    ‘Jewish ideology’ is basically an amalgam of racially orientated exclusive arguments. It is fuelled by assumptions about ‘ethno’-centric supremacy, and ideas such as ‘choseness’. Being a tribal setting then, Jewish ideology defies equality. It also opposes universalism. The followers of that ideology tend to believe that they are somewhat different and even better (chosen) than non Jews. And much Jewish political activity is a formulation, and expression of a tribal exclusive club that demands a ‘Jews only’ entry card.

    It is important to note that Jewish ideology and Zionism are not entirely the same – In fact, Zionism should be seen as just one manifestation of Jewish ideology. Though Israel is the fruit of the Zionist project – it is vital to realise that Zionism does not drive Israeli politics or ideology. In fact, Zionism is largely a Diaspora Jewish discourse.

    While early Zionism presented itself as a promise to ‘resolve the Galut ’ (Diaspora) by ‘transforming’ the Diaspora Jew into an ‘authentic civilised’ human being – it is important to remember that the last few generations of Israelis have been born in Zion (Palestine) and are, therefore, not entirely shaped by Zionist ideologies. From a Zionist perspective, the modern Israeli is then, a ‘post-revolutionary’ subject. And indeed, I myself, amongst millions of other Israelis, joined the Israeli army because we were Jews – not because we were Zionists.

    Israelis do, however, follow what I define as Jewish ideology – They practise and perform a number of different measures that are there to maintain Jewish exclusivity on the land. When 94% of Israeli Jews supported IDF’s murderous tactics against Gazans at the time of Operation Cast Lead, it wasn’t Zionism that motivated them. It was the total lack of empathy with other human beings. It was blindness towards others. It was supremacy and chauvinism; or, in other words, it was the ugliest homicidal manifestation of their choseness.

    Almost every aspect of Israeli politics, whether it is the ‘unilateral disengagement’ or the loyalty oath, can be grasped as an attempt to project and protect Jewish exclusivity on the land (instead of trying to resolve the Galut)

    You may note that I neither refer to Jews as a racial or ethnic group; nor am I directing my critique towards Judaism, the religion. And whilst Jews can indeed succumb to what I define as ’Jewish ideology’, (and many of them do) it is valuable to bear in mind they can also be its most virulent enemies: Obvious examples are Jesus, Spinoza and Marx, and one can also include Israelis such as Israel Shahak, Gideon Levy and others. It is also pertinent to mention that some early Zionists such as Nordau and Borochov were also strong opponents of Jewish ideology and culture – For them, Zionism was a necessary attempt to amend Jews. They believed that once dwelling on ‘their promised land,’ what had hitherto been perceived as ‘Jewish tendencies’, (such as ‘non-productive inclinations’), would disappear.

    It should be obvious that I am in total support of the universal and ethical ideas that are coupled with the ODS (One Democratic State) and SOIC (State of its Citizens). I would also be the first to endorse and explore any form of reconciliation between the indigenous people of the land (Palestinians) and the new comers (Israelis).

    Yet, I believe that for any possible and intelligible discussion to take place –we surely must be able to freely explore the true nature of the ideology that drives the Jewish state, and Jewish politics around the world.

    We must find a way to admit to ourselves that the Jewish ideological, political and cultural discourse is a tribal discourse: it is foreign to universalism and ideas of true equality. Also, we need to realise that the Israeli notion of ‘shalom’ (peace) is interpreted by Israelis as ‘security for Jews’ instead of reconciliation.

    Unless we are brave enough to confront these issues, and discuss them freely, the pro- Palestinian movement is trapped in a futile discourse on the verge of self-indulgence.

    Gilad Atzmon - Writings - Gilad Atzmon: Jews, Judaism &*Jewishness

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    Re: West: We support democracy but ‘without Islamists’

    It's only a democracy till somebody get's elected, after that wherever you are in the world and whatever the masses see is only a facade. The truth of the matter is the top 1% who actually influence the decisions don't care if you are Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist as long as they can get rich of you countries resources or as long as they have something to gain. Democracy in it's essence is a great idea, Demos Kratos which means people power, unfortunately it's not what is happening. It's more obvious in some regions, but almost everybody living in "democratic" countries is not actually enjoying democracy and what it truly means.

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    Re: West: We support democracy but ‘without Islamists’

    Rich yes - but which community has the most rich people who not only use it to control western powers but even use 'honey-pots' to corrupt the western politicians?

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    Re: West: We support democracy but ‘without Islamists’

    We live in a free Nation here and in Canada. That is why we can type this and not worry about going to jail or being shoot. Try to write this stuff in Iran or some of your beloved Islamic countries and you be in big trouble my friend.
    Your Brother,
    Kike Moses

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    Re: West: We support democracy but ‘without Islamists’

    Yes - Canada is as free as is the US. Both are ruled by the Zionfascism.

    Washington is controlled by Jewish Lobby (AIPAC, ADL, AJC and 40 other Jewish groups) - and Canada is governed by CJC through Stephen harper and Jason Kenny.

    Shalom = What's good for kike.

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    Re: West: We support democracy but ‘without Islamists’

    If you dislike it so much, why don't you go back to your Islamic camel humping friends in Iran? At least we are free here and in Canada and you are a hipocrit for living in Canada and talking all your Islamic propaganda.

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    Re: West: We support democracy but ‘without Islamists’

    Everybody has the right to speak there mind and everybody has a choice, if you don't like something you can go somewhere else. On another note a lot of oil is located in the middle east which makes a lot of people in the region very rich and powerful. And now here is my opinion, if you think that rich people have any other agenda besides making themselves more wealthy and that rich people of a certain race are gods gift to humanity while others are as evil as the devil himself, you are very naive and ignorant of the world you live in.

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    Re: West: We support democracy but ‘without Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by eloans1 View Post
    If you dislike it so much, why don't you go back to your Islamic camel humping friends in Iran? At least we are free here and in Canada and you are a hipocrit for living in Canada and talking all your Islamic propaganda.
    And why you kikes listen to Helen Thomas and go back to the Jewish ghettos in Europe?

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