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Thread: I AM Amaterasu...

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    Re: I AM Amaterasu...

    Welcome Amaterasu wow what an amazing thread keep up the great work!!!ricklbert
    “How is freedom measured, in individuals as in nations? By the resistance which has to be overcome, by the effort it costs to stay aloft. One would have to seek the highest type of free man where the greatest resistance is constantly being overcome: five steps from tyranny, near the threshold of the danger of servitude.”

    Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Re: I AM Amaterasu...

    So Venus project and Zeitgeist both assume a government of sorts. is this what you stand by?

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    as for the rest I do not see the dif in what you say and the TZM stand for
    Stigmergic system via the web is what you advocate,,
    I stand corrected

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    Re: I AM Amaterasu...

    Thank You for Your support, ricklbert. It is nice to have an awareness that Others understand what I am after for this planet and Humanity as a whole. [smile]
    "If the universe is made of mostly dark energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"
    "If You want Peace, take the profit out of war."
    "Information will free Us."

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    As long as there is a system in place which "dictates," or "allots," or otherwise is placed above Human desire - when that system is not necessary - yes. It becomes open to corruption and greed. And in abundance, "greed" becomes meaningless. How would One define "greed" in a world where One can have all One wants? In any system that constricts, those who have control of the constricting mechanism will allow Themselves more than the "plebeians." And this then allows power of Some over Others.

    In abundance We all are equal in power. We have NO power over Others (except in an interpersonal sense) but complete and autonomous control over Self. Truly... Equality.

    And yes... Venus and TZM are mostly the same - but They approach things still in a scarcity paradigm. Stigmergic governance allows any and all WHO CARE to involve Themselves directly in problem solving. The bigger the problem, the more who will care. And with the profit motive removed, things will be solved the BEST way, organically, sustainably, with grace and thoughtfulness, because... The majority of Us, if We didn't have to worry about the costs of things, will work towards that end, and any few sick and twisted Individuals will not have the power in the sea of loving Humanity to affect a poor choice on any major scale. Unlike any and all systems where Some have power over Others.
    "If the universe is made of mostly dark energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"
    "If You want Peace, take the profit out of war."
    "Information will free Us."

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    Re: I AM Amaterasu...

    I asked you to tell me since it is YOUR opinion
    or is it so complicated that you cannot explain it?
    Sending someone who dissents watch a movie is not a real strong argument,,,,

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    Hi lliqerty, I think your question is directed to me as I advised you to watch the movie, the reason being that English is my third language and the film can say it better than I can ever do, why reinvent the wheel? I could not post links here but now I have permission, so please if you are still interested here is the link
    Last edited by Desiree; June 11th, 2012 at 12:28 PM.

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    Desiree: Confusion Galore! Thank you for the link, and your English is just fine (it is also my second language).

    The first hour of Zeitgeist says the CIA, the Federal Reserve, Globalization (through semi-secret supra-national organizations) is bad.
    I FULLY agree. Let's make a Revolution (the Ron Paul kind of Revolution), I am with you!

    If you have an infection, the bacteria/virus is carried through your body by your blood. If you get rid of your blood, you will die.
    Money is the blood of the economy. Get rid of it and you will kill the economy with 90% of the people in it (from hunger). Duh!!!

    1:00:03 China is no less capitalistic than the US. Then there is no country in the world that has a good government? Duh!!!

    1:52:15 "Actions for Social Transformation": Quit your job at BofA and close your account. Who will be out of business first? Duh!!!

    He is using big words, and some people are easily swayed into paying MONEY to support his sales job. Think before you buy into it!
    What is HIS conclusion? He does not have any! Or, is HE telling you the consequence of no Government and no money? Duh!!!
    0:00:00 HE completely omits explaining what money should be replaced with! Why did they forget? Because he has no clue! Duh!!!

    Desiree, 1:35:20 According to him, you (and he) are stupid, for there is no such thing as a smart human being.
    1:35:10 You are proven wrong (by me now) - but, if you believe this idiot, that is good and you should Celebrate!

    Don't be like Occupy and Zeitgeist who just complain, smell of jealousy but cannot do any better. No money here - cannot do it still?
    If you have an idea, stand by it (not some LABEL), otherwise shut up, or get educated by Ron Paul (he is a doctor, he IS smart!).

    And your response: What other things that can motivate people? Sex, what else?

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    money is the infection not the blood,
    Money creates inequality, inequality creates economic violence, crime wars and instability,,,

    Money creates stress that lead to physical and mental illness, depression and addictions, to keep the system going we need to keep consuming polluting and plundering the planet, things are made to break so we keep buying, money gives you the illusion of freedom while in fact we are subservient not free.

    Money hold us behind " if they cannot make money out of it is not going to happen" most research are diverted to war mongering than Peace health and stability, for a nations to grow and prosper they first need Peace
    Money hold us back, we are at least 60 years behind as science and technology are hindered not freed as it all depends of funding (money)

    The currant monetary system have been breaking for the last 60 years , unless a gigantic aid for debt relief or complete change which is not going to happen, so result social instability violence wars famine and poverty

    There are several films by Zeitgeist that answer your questions, I advised you to watch this one as an introduction to make you understand how outdated and harmful money is, Peter Joseph give radio talks and take questions as a matter of fact there was one today and if you like I can send you the link,,

    I feel ever so sorry for people who can't bring themselves to think outside the box, and think that famine and poverty is a fact of life

    I do not think that the greatest brains of the last centuries where motivated by sex or money there are many names to mention Einstein for one

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    Likening money to blood is rather a poor analogy. Society does not NEED money to survive, but We do NEED blood. If society needed money, no society would ever have developed without it - and all societies started out without money.

    Here is how society now can function without money:

    Add free energy and the cost of energy is removed. For example, trains will not have to charge for the energy (the biggest expense They have now - by a very large margin) so the cost to operate the train will drop radically. All They now have to pay for is any operators, and maintenance and parts. They can charge MUCH less for Their tickets. Add robotic operators and maintenance, and the trains will not have to charge for those. More drop in price. Now add the metals and such being mined by robots, smelted by robots, formed by robots and shipped by robots, and the parts cost nothing. So... Now the trains have NO costs. Why would They need to charge? This goes for everything. Nothing will cost anything. Yet society will still have trains to take Them places, and the poor of today can live as well as the rich of today.

    You would keep money? Let Me quote an eminent economist, Jeremy Rifkin:

    “Energy is the basis of human culture, just as it is the basis of life. Therefore, power in every society ultimately belongs to whoever controls the exosomatic [external] instruments that are used to transform, exchange, and discard energy. Class divisions, exploitations, privilege, and poverty are all determined by how a society’s energy flow line is set up. Those who control the exosomatic instruments control the energy flow line. They determine how the work in society will be divided up and how the economic rewards will be allocated among various groups and constituencies.”

    As long as energy (money) is controlled by the few, We WILL have poverty, exploitation, privilege, class conflicts, and WAR. Virtually ALL wars are incited by the war profiteers to ensure a PROFIT.

    The root of all evil is the LOVE of money. Remove the soil (money) in which it grows, and We will not see evil.
    Last edited by Amaterasu; June 12th, 2012 at 04:34 PM. Reason: Change colr
    "If the universe is made of mostly dark energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"
    "If You want Peace, take the profit out of war."
    "Information will free Us."

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