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Thread: OSAMA bin LADEN DEAD - CNN.com

  1. #11

    FLASHBACK: Former CIA Operative: “Of Course Bin Laden is Dead”

    Warns war on terror could be eternal

    Steve Watson
    Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008

    An important news item that flew under the radar for the most part last week was the assertion from former CIA operative turned whistleblower Robert Baer that Osama Bin Laden is long dead.

    The hugely respected intelligence & foreign policy expert told Terry Gross, host of National Public Radio show Fresh Air, “Of course he is dead, where are the DVDs? Bin Laden wouldn’t dye his hair, all these things can be manipulated.”

    Baer, who has has previously publicly questioned the official story of the 9/11 attacks, continued “He hasn’t shown up, I’ve taken in the last month a poll of CIA officers who have been on his trail, and what astounded me was not a single one was sure he was alive or dead. They have no idea, I mean this man disappeared off the side of the earth.”

    Baer, who’s previous book See No Evil was the basis for the film Syriana, asked “When in history has a country fought another country or another entity when the leader may be dead?” and warned that the so called war on terror could be an eternal war if the goal continues to be to capture Bin Laden.

    Baer also warned that the war is shifting into Pakistan, a dangerous precedent that could see the vaguely defined conflict move anywhere.

    Last July it was revealed that Pakistan has an agreement to allow CIA-operated Predator drones fly over the country and strike targets in the so called “hunt” for Bin Laden. Since that time many strikes have taken place, killing civilians in the process.

    In addition, details of a secret Pentagon plan to send U.S. special forces into the wild tribal regions of Pakistan to find Bin Laden have also emerged. The plans have reportedly not yet been implemented due to White House in fighting.

    Listen to the short excerpt here.

    Listen to the whole interview here.

    There is voluminous evidence to suggest Bin Laden is long dead.

    According to French newspaper Le Figaro, Bin Laden was on a kidney dialysis machine after he had one shipped to his base in Kandahar Afghanistan in 2000, and when the CIA personally visited him in a Dubai hospital. Other accounts suggest he was also suffering from Hepatitis C at the time and had only two years left to live.

    Journalists who met Bin Laden before 9/11 later proclaimed their disbelief about the fact that he didn’t appear on video after December 2001 to brag about the fact that he had not been captured. Since that time, every single Bin Laden video tape released has contained vague non-specific messages and in many cases the footage is old and re-hashed.

    “With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival?” wrote the New York Times‘ Amir Taheri in July 2002.

    A very good reason for Osama remaining silent after the end of 2001 would be the fact that he probably died on December 26 of that year, according to a report in the Pakistani Observer, which cited a Taliban official as stating that Bin Laden died due to an untreated lung complication and that he had attended his funeral.

    In 2002 CNN reported on the fact that Pakistan’s president Pervez Musharraf believed Bin Laden to be dead:

    [A Bush administration official] said U.S. intelligence is that bin Laden needs dialysis every three days and “it is fairly obvious that that could be an issue when you are running from place to place, and facing the idea of needing to generate electricity in a mountain hideout,”.
    Others have gone on record insisting they believe Bin Laden to be dead, they include:

    Afghan President Hamid Karzai, FBI counter-terrorism chief Dale Watson, Israeli intelligence sources, the late former Prime Minister of Pakistan , Bin Laden expert Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program.

    In addition, a leaked French secret service memo in September 2006 concluded that Bin Laden had died of typhoid poisoning the previous month. The memo cited Saudi Arabian secret service sources who were convinced that Bin Laden had died in Pakistan.

    “The information gathered by the Saudis indicates that the head of al-Qaeda fell victim, while he was in Pakistan on August 23, 2006, to a very serious case of typhoid that led to a partial paralysis of his internal organs,” states the French memo.

    Judging from all the available evidence, the White House knows for certain or at least strongly suspects that Bin Laden is dead and has been for many years, but they have chosen to maintain his myth for the purposes of political propaganda and as a hook on which to pin the advance of the imperial Neo-Con agenda.


  2. #12

    Osama Bin Laden Pronounced Dead… For the Ninth Time

    James Corbett
    The Corbett Report
    May 2, 2011

    When Obama pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead in a* heard round the world last night, he was at least the ninth major head of state or high-ranking government official to have done so.

    Given Bin Laden’s*documented kidney problems and consequent need for dialysis, government officials, heads of state and counterterrorism experts have repeatedly opined that Osama Bin Laden has in fact been dead for some time. These assertions are based on Bin Laden’s failing health in late 2001 and visible signs of his deteriorating condition, as well as actual reports of his death from the same time frame.

    In July of 2001, Osama Bin Laden was flown to the American Hospital in Dubai for kidney treatment.*According to French intelligence sources, he was there met by the local CIA attache. When the agent bragged about his encounter to friends later, he was promptly recalled to Washington.

    On the eve of September 11, Osama Bin Laden was staying in a Pakistani military hospital under the watchful eye of Pakistan’s ISI, the Pakistani equivalent of the CIA with deep ties to the American intelligence community.

    In October 2001, Bin Laden* wearing army fatigues and Islamic headdress, looking visibly pale and gaunt. In December of 2001,*another videotape was released, this time showing a seriously ill Bin Laden who was seemingly unable to move his left arm.

    Then on December 26, 2001,*Fox News reported on a Pakistan Observer story that the Afghan Taliban had officially pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead earlier that month. According to the report, he was buried less than 24 hours later in an unmarked grave in accordance with Wahabbist Sunni practices.

    What followed was a string of pronouncements from officials affirming what was already obvious: supposedly living in caves and bunkers in the mountainous pass between Afghanistan and Pakistan, Osama would have been deprived of the dialysis equipment that he required to live.

    On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President*Pervez Musharraf announced quite bluntly: “I think now, frankly, he is dead.”

    On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI,*Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore,” before carefully adding that “I have no evidence to support that.”

    In October 2002, Afghan PresidentHamid Karzai told CNN that “I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead.”

    In November 2005,*Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.

    In September 2006,*French intelligence leaked a report suggesting Osama had died in Pakistan.

    On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister* told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.

    In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University*Angelo Codevilla stated: “All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.”

    In May 2009, Pakistani President*Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his “counterparts in the American intelligence agencies” hadn’t heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed “I don’t think he’s alive.”

    Now in 2011, President Obama has added himself to the mix of people in positions of authority who have pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead. Some might charge that none of the previous reports had any credibility, but as it is now emerging that Osama’s body was*buried at sea less than 12 hours after his death with no opportunity for any independent corroboration of his identity, the same question of credibility has to be leveled at this latest charge. To this point, the only evidence we have been provided that Osama Bin Laden was killed yesterday are some images on tv of a burning compound and the word of the man currently occupying the oval office.

    But given that an informed consensus has formed around the opinion that Bin Laden died long ago due to kidney failure, will the people of America hold their President to the highest standard in presenting evidence that the person killed was actually Osama Bin Laden, and that he actually died in the way described, or will this pronouncement go unquestioned like so many other deaths in the never ending war of terror?

    Stay tuned for more on this story as it develops…


  3. #13

    Bin Laden was asked to surrender before being shot; ABC Video Captures Inside Of Compound

    Times Of Malta
    May 2, 2011

    Osama Bin Laden was asked to surrender by US troops before he was shot dead, Fox News is quoting intelligence sources as saying.

    The terrorist leader had always said he would not be captured alive.

    Bin Laden was shot dead during a raid by US ground troops on a compound in Pakistan. His body was captured by the Americans.

    Full article here

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  4. #14

    Heat on Pakistan as bin Laden killed near capital

    Flashback: Intimate links between ISI, CIA, Al Qaeda exposed

    Kamran Haider
    May 2, 2011

    Pakistan declared the killing of*Osama bin Laden*a “major setback” to global terrorism, but it will inevitably come under pressure to explain how the al Qaeda leader was holed up in a mansion near a military facility.


    it was not clear whether the Pakistan military was involved in the operation and there was no official comment from the government for several hours, raising the possibility that Islamabad was taken by surprise.

    That bin Laden, mastermind of the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, was not hiding in mountains along the border but in relative comfort in a town hosting the main military academy and home to scores of retired and serving officers will bolster those who have long argued that Pakistan has been playing a duplicitous hand.


    “For some time there will be a lot of tension between Washington and Islamabad because bin Laden seems to have been living here close to Islamabad,” said Imtiaz Gul, a Pakistani security analyst.

    “If the ISI had known, then somebody within the ISI must have leaked this information,” Gul said. “Pakistan will have to do a lot of damage control because the Americans have been reporting he is in Pakistan … this is a serious blow to the credibility of Pakistan.”

    Full article here


  5. #15

    Pakistani intelligence official: ISI Was On Site During Osama Raid

    Comment: Interesting in the light of several other reports suggesting that Pakistani authorities were completely unaware of the presence of US special forces.

    Flashback: Intimate links between ISI, CIA, Al Qaeda exposed

    May 2, 2011


    U.S. officials have taken custody of bin Laden’s body. No Americans were harmed in the operation in Pakistan and U.S. forces took care to avoid civilian casualties,*the President*said.

    CNN’s Nick Paton Walsh reports, citing a senior Pakistani intelligence official, that members of Pakistan’s intelligence service – the ISI – were on site in Abbotabad, Pakistan, during the operation that killed Osama bin Laden. The official said he did not know who fired the shot that actually killed Bin Laden.

    Full article here


  6. #16

    Hamas condemns killing of “holy warrior” bin Laden

    Dan Williams, Reporting by Nidal al-Mughrabi
    May 2, 2011

    The*Palestinian*Islamist group*Hamas*on Monday condemned the killing by U.S. forces of*Osama bin Laden*and mourned him as an “Arab holy warrior.”

    “We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood,”*Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the*Gaza Strip, told reporters.

    Though he noted doctrinal differences between bin Laden’s*al Qaeda*and Hamas, Haniyeh said: “We condemn the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior. We ask God to offer him mercy with the true believers and the martyrs.”

    Full article here


  7. #17

    Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hitler both declared dead on May 1

    May 2, 2011

    Osama Bin Laden and Adolf Hitler share a towering reputation for evil – and also an anniversary.

    Both were declared dead on May 1.

    Late on May 1, 1945 – about as late as President Obama’s TV announcement Sunday – German radio announced that Hitler had fallen “fighting to the last breath against Bolshevism and for Germany.”

    He had actually committed suicide the day before.

    In some cultures May 1 is the official beginning of summer. In many places, May Day is also Labor Day, a celebration of the working man.

    Full article here


  8. #18

    Raid against Osama bin Laden captured on Twitter

    May 2, 2011

    In the early hours of Monday, Sohaib Athar reported on his Twitter account that a loud bang had rattled his windows in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad, saying he hoped “its not the start of something nasty.”

    A few hours later Athar posted another tweet: “Uh oh, now I’m the guy who liveblogged the*Osama*raid without knowing it.”

    In the age of Twitter, perhaps it’s no surprise that the first signs of the U.S. operation that killed*al Qaeda leader*Osama bin Laden were noticed by an IT consultant awake late at night.

    Athar, a resident of Abbottabad where bin Laden was holed up, first noticed a helicopter and thought it unusual enough to post this on his Twitter account.

    “Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1AM (is a rare event),” wrote Athar. Moments later, he added: “A huge window shaking bang here… I hope its not the start of something nasty.”

    Full article here


  9. #19

    U.S. tests bin Laden’s DNA, used facial ID: official

    May 2, 2011

    The United States is conducting DNA testing on slain al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and used facial recognition techniques to help identify him, a U.S. official said on Monday.

    Bin Laden was identified by the assault force that killed him in a firefight in Pakistan in which he resisted and was shot in the head, the official said on condition of anonymity.

    Results of the DNA tests should be available in the next few days, the official told Reuters.

    Full article here


  10. #20

    Inside Sources: Bin Laden’s Corpse Has Been On Ice For Nearly a Decade

    A multitude of respected intelligence officials and heads of state have both publicly and privately asserted that Osama has been dead for years

    Paul Joseph Watson
    Prison Planet.com
    Monday, May 2, 2011

    A multitude of different inside sources both publicly and privately, including one individual who personally worked with Bin Laden at one time, told us directly that Osama’s dead corpse has been on ice for nearly a decade and that his “death” would only be announced at the most politically expedient time.

    That time has now come with a years-old fake picture being presented as the only evidence of his alleged killing yesterday, while Bin Laden’s body has been hastily dumped into the sea to prevent anyone from finding out when he actually died.

    In April 2002, over nine years ago, Council on Foreign Relations member Steve R. Pieczenik, who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Bake, told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months”.

    Pieczenik would be in a position to know such information, having worked directly with Bin Laden when the US was funding and arming the terror leader in an attempt to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan in the late 70′s and early 80′s (a documented historical fact that talking heads in the corporate media are actually denying today in light of developments).

    “I found out through my sources that he had had kidney disease. And as a physician, I knew that he had to have two dialysis machines and he was dying,” Pieczenik told Jones during the April 24, 2002 interview.

    “And you could see those in those films, those made-up photos that they were sending us out of nowhere. I mean, suddenly, we would see a video of bin Laden today and then out of nowhere, they said oh it was sent to us anonymously, meaning that someone in the government, our government, was trying to keep up the morale on our side and say oh we still have to chase this guy when, in fact, he’s been dead for months,” added Pieczenik.

    Pieczenik then stated that the video tape of a fat Bin Laden look alike “taking responsibility” for 9/11 that was released in December 2001 was “such a hoax” designed to “manipulate” people in the emotional aftermath of 9/11.

    The subsequent war in Afghanistan that followed 9/11 was orchestrated “With the agreement of the bin Laden family, knowing fully well that he would die,” said Pieczenik. “And I think that Musharraf, the President of Pakistan, spilled the beans by accident three months ago when he said that bin Laden was dead because his kidney dialysis machines were destroyed in East Afghanistan.”

    In addition to Pieczenik, as we reported in August 2002, Alex Jones was separately told by a high level Republican source that Bin Laden was dead and that his body was being kept “on ice” until Osama’s death could be announced at the most “politically expedient” time.

    When Jones asked the source if his claim was mere speculation or whether it was actually true, the source re-iterated the fact that he was being deadly serious and that Bin Laden’s corpse was “physically on ice” waiting to be rolled out for public consumption at the most opportune moment.

    Many expected that moment to be right before the 2004 election, but after Democrats began speculating about the possibility, Republicans settled instead for a fake Osama video tape that was released on the eve of the election and, according to both George W. Bush and John Kerry, was the deciding factor in a closely-fought contest. Veteran news reader Walter Cronkite labeled the entire farce a Karl Rove-orchestrated “set-up”.

    In addition to these sources, a deluge of other heads of state as well as intelligence agency professionals have gone on record over the past nine years to state their belief that Bin Laden was likely dead, after it became clear that the Al-Qaeda leader’s health was in severe decline as a result of kidney disease at the end of 2001. These include;

    - Former CIA officer and hugely respected intelligence & foreign policy expert Robert Baer, who in 2008 when asked about Bin Laden by a radio host responded, “Of course he is dead.”

    - On December 26, 2001, Fox News, citing a Pakistan Observer story, reported that the Afghan Taliban had pronounced Bin Laden dead and buried him in an unmarked grave.

    - On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced: “I think now, frankly, he is dead.”

    - On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore.”

    - In October 2002, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told CNN that “I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead.

    - In 2003, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke she suspected Bush knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and was waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture.

    - In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.

    - In February 2007, Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program, stated that the purported video and audio tapes that were being released of Bin Laden were fake and that he was probably dead.

    - On November 2, 2007, former told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.

    - In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University Angelo Codevilla stated: “All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.”

    - In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his “counterparts in the American intelligence agencies” hadn’t heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed “I don’t think he’s alive.”

    In a way, the establishment had their hand forced in having to announce the death of someone whose shadowy existence had proven very useful to them in maintaining fear and uncertainty amongst the population of America and the world.

    The fact that the myth behind Al-Qaeda has been completely demolished and that the group, through a myriad of revelations, including Anwar Al-Alawki’s post-9/11 visit to the Pentagon, is now widely known to be a US intelligence front, perhaps now means that Al-Qaeda will be swept under the rug and a new enemy will be invented in order to legitimize the continued US military-complex domination of the globe.

    H/T: James Corbett – Osama Bin Laden Pronounced Dead… For the Ninth Time


    Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a regular fill-in host for The Alex Jones Show.


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