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Thread: Perhaps The Only Hope Left For This Country (USA)

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    Re: Perhaps The Only Hope Left For This Country (USA)

    I guess you're all still thinking then.

    Think about this then: John Olivers exposé on gun control in Australia continues...(My country is run by idiots can I crash in yours for a bit) - Imgur

    Your point is best illustrated by this: Marina Abramovi?, ?Rhythm 0,? 1974 - Imgur

    Now think about how well you know yourself. How well do you know your spouse, your kids, your extended family, your neighbors, your coworkers, the folks at the supermarket, the people crossing the street while you wait at that red light? Can you use a gun or any other weapon to protect yourself in all situations? Can you carry that gun everywhere with you? How about your kids? They need protection at school, on the way to and from school also, right? How about your ageing parents? Where are you safe?

    You really think it's about protection? Or is it more about alienating us from everyone around us? More fear. Always more fear.

    Which demographic group isn't drugged out of their minds nowadays? Everybody is blasted every moment of every day. How do you know when those drugs flip some switch in you, yourself, and you use that gun on someone who was completely innocent, just because you've had an unexpected reaction.

    There are just too many variables in life to think that a gun is going to provide safety for anyone at all. Is it too difficult to fix what is genuinely ailing that society? Isn't that really the only way to ensure some degree of safety anyway? This is something that a band-aid just isn't going to fix.
    Last edited by kotn; April 27th, 2013 at 01:33 PM.
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    Re: Perhaps The Only Hope Left For This Country (USA)

    There is nothing wrong with the boy standing for his (and everyone else's) freedoms, whether it be an NRA shirt or some other shirt or item or something stated.

    Ultimately, yes kotn, in a society where there is no need for protection against forces that impose upon us a Nazi-like state (or that WANT to impose that upon us), sure, who needs guns. That is not the problem. The problem as I see it lies with guns and the military and police and such. You cannot rid the people of guns if you do not rid the armies of guns, and police of guns, etc. Of course, this would have to be done world-wide. If those groups do not give up their guns, then guns at this time serve a purpose, and that is to protect.

    Yes, there are those who use those weapons not for protection but for killing, but those are another scenario; and in that type of scenario, when someone wants to kill, they will kill no matter what weapon they choose to use. Anything can be used as a harmful and deadly weapon, not just guns.

    Getting back to the kid and the shirt. The kid did nothing wrong. Besides, the NRA is for SAFE use of firearms. This kid was standing up for the rights of everyone; and the riot that ensued was caused by ignorance and arrogance and authoritarianism on the part of the teacher and the school. Again, the kid did nothing wrong.

    “The rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened.”
    ― John F. Kennedy

    “First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me—
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.”
    ― Martin Niemöller
    Go through your life with love and light, and nothing can truly harm you.

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    Re: Perhaps The Only Hope Left For This Country (USA)

    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with holding to your rights. I am saying that we need to stop and examine what we believe in and why. If a person feels their only protection is a gun, then they really need to look in the mirror. If that's true of a community, they seriously need to look at their policies and processes. If that's true for a country, even bloody more so than the community. And if it's true for an entire civilization then God help them. They are truly doomed.

    Absolutely stick up for your rights. But know why you need those rights and be sure they land you where you really want to be.

    I made the choice a long time ago to leave that particular sick country and I haven't looked back. The country I moved to has more guns per capita but infinitely less gun crime.

    Ultimately, this question is going to result in asking oneself the question anyway. Look far enough ahead and you'll see that too.
    Dare to fail.

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