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Thread: Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012

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    Unhappy Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012

    In light of recent events, this is news that needs to be reported here on Unhypnotize. All of Canada has heard about this story by now and as a country, we are all deeply concerned as to the well-being of the people that were trapped in the building under the rubble. So it must be reported here.


    On Saturday June 23rd, 2012, the Algo Centre Mall in Elliot Lake Ontario had a cave-in of part of its roof. The roof, which is the main parking for the mall, was in bad shape and was in serious need of repair.The collapse took place at around 2:30 in the afternoon. It has been reported that 22 people have suffered injury as a result of the roof collapsing, from falling debris, and as of now, 12 people are reported to be missing. The number of unaccounted for people has fluctuated since the time of the incident, and it has been reported that only 2 names have never been off of the list. Those 2 people were reported to have been in the mall at the time of the cave-in and their cars were the only ones left in the parking lot after all others cleared the premisis. The police are reporting that there is 1 confirmed death; I’m not sure if that is the person with the severed appendages. There was a tapping sound coming from the rubble early Monday morning but was not heard since.

    By Monday evening, the search was called off, even though now it is said by Elliot Lake mayor Rick Hamilton that they never “called-off” the search. The heavy rescue team from Toronto was advised by 2 engineers that the building was “unstable” and the escalators (where the roof fell) were separating from the building and could collapse at anytime and were surprised that it hadn’t fallen yet. The urban rescue crew (who had only 10 years practice – 1 actual rescue for experience) was ready to pack up and go back to Toronto.

    The mall, which in May of this year, was signed off by inspectors as being in OK shape as structural support goes. Yet, the patrons and the workers in the mall had been complaining for years about the leaks when it would rain, or when the snow and ice would melt. There are many Elliot Lake residents that have told stories of the buckets lining the floors on these occasions to catch the drips from the roof parking lot, and even how Zellers would tarp their shelves to prevent damage to their merchandise. Nothing was ever done (except minor asphalt repair) to fix the problem. You can see the video from immediately after the roof collapse, as well as some pictures below.

    Mall patron’s video (I’m guessing it was from a cell phone):


    Photos can be seen here:
    Scenes from the Elliot Lake mall collapse - The Globe and Mail


    It is, at this time being said that 2 vehicles fell through the roof as well. I believe those have been removed. I hope those have been removed.

    There are still victims alive in that structure, and they need help. The townspeople want to go in and help, this includes Miners (as this was once a booming mining town) who are willing to sign waivers to not sue just so they can go in and rescue their own. “We never leave a man behind.” Miners stick together to help each other out. None of the people who want to go in there and risk their lives are being allowed near the building.

    Dalton McGuinty was called and he made them find another way to get to those trapped in the wreckage, and so, after hours of wasted time, equipment was called in and arrived in Elliot Lake Tuesday night and started in on the work.

    The plan was, with the robotic arm crane that can apparently reach 150 feet, they were to knock down the escalators away from the area where the survivors were known to be, hopefully making it safe for rescue workers and rescue dogs to go in to look for the buried people. But there was a setback, the crane couldn’t quite get in where it needed to be, so instead, they’ve been taking chunks out of the building to get in there to do what they can for those poor folks who have been trapped since Saturday afternoon.

    Because I just want to get this news posted, I will leave it at this for now, but I will add to this when more information is available, and I will fill in what I left out at that time.

    I am outraged at this whole situation. It’s terrible that this had to happen. Now the mall will be demolished, and this is terrible for the city. Elliot Lake is a small town and this was their hub; everything was in there, just about. The next town (Sudbury) is 2 hours away at best. With an indication that there is someone alive, how can these “rescuers” just leave even though the building “may” crash down more? They are in a position to save lives at any cost, yet they won’t do it at any cost because they refust to actually risk their lives, which is their job.

    I feel for those people who are trapped in there with no food, no water, and most likely no ability to move or call out for help. Aside from the 1 person who was doing the tapping, there is no indication of any life under the rubble, but I feel there is something still there. There is still life. And there is still HOPE!

    I will update soon. Please, don’t let these people be forgotten. Let them come out alive. And let this be a lesson for responders to emergency here in Canada.
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    Re: Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012

    The heavy equipment crews worked throughout the night and within a few hours, the robotic arm had cleared enough wall to get to the escalator that they couldn't reach the first try. They removed the escalator and crews were allowed to go in. Apparently just after 8AM this morning (Wednesday June 27th 2012), the first body, that of Lucie Aylwin (age 37) was recovered from the debris. Lucie, could be heard tapping as late as Monday morning, just hours before search and rescue teams had called off the search. Had the crews continued to work, or even if they had called in the proper equipment sooner, Lucie would still be with us today. Lucie, who only worked at the lotto kiosk on Saturdays and at the moment of collapse was said to have been filling in for a co-worker who had just seconds before stepped out for a break. Lucie also worked for the College Boreal with their employment services.

    The second victim Dolores Perizzolo (nee Dumas) was found a few hours later, sometime between 12pm and 1pm (I’m getting information from various news reports). Dolores (in her early 70s), according to reports was not in good health and was a diabetic. She was (according to witnesses) “scratching Nevada tickets at the lotto booth” at the time of the deadly cave-in.

    The response to this disaster was not handled the way a disaster / rescue should be handled, instead it was handled by the burocrats. Burocrats are not rescuers, and should not be involved when it comes to rescue operations. There were many many eager volunteers aware of the risks and willing to risk their lives in order to save that 1 confirmed survivor as of Monday. The problem was with the officials not allowing these volunteer access to the building because of “safety issues”.

    In any other country in this world, volunteers are able to jump in there and help in a rescue effort no matter what, but not here in Canada, apparently. It was a police-run operation. Police are not rescuers and have no business in there. This should have been handled by actual professionals.

    The details of this so-called rescue attempt are said to be subject to review to make sure that next time a disaster happens, big or small, it will be dealt with properly and not handled the way this fiasco was handled in Elliot Lake. Protocols need to be in place and people need to know what is available in a situation like this and what they can do.

    I read a comment on one of the news sources today that I need to share because it is too important to let fall into the abyss of the internet.

    A man by the name of Keith, had this to say:
    Takes 6 hours to secure a building
    Being an engineer and demolition man myself, I can tell you that even in a partially collapsed building you can successfully secure the building within 6 hours with just basic materials that you can find at any home depot. There is no reason why the rescuers should have felt like their lives were in danger if they had properly secured and supported the rest of the building infrastructure. I have worked on a similar collapse in the USA, we had the site reinforced within 2 hours with our specialized hydraulics. However I was in a situation in Texas where a tornado took out all of our equipment and a building collapsed. Our workers found the nearest truck, drove to the home depot and got equipment and materials form the nearest home depot. We reinforced the structure (the roof of a local arena) within 4 hours.
    Keith | Jun 27, 2012 5:41 PM
    This statement is what everyone knows should be able to happen, but in this case, we see some so-called “experts” on the job (most of them, so I’ve heard former policemen, inluding Neadles or Needles himself) sitting around with their thumbs up their butts saying “we can’t go in, it’s not safe”, even though they KNEW there was someone alive in there. Nice rescuers, they’re useless. If you’re in the business of risking your life to save another, then for god sakes, risk your life to save that life already. There should never be an “it’s not safe” in the rescue business that stops rescue efforts. Of course it’s not safe, that’s why it’s a RESCUE. When are conditions ever safe in a rescue?

    I am angered at the fact that there was nothing done when it should have been done. Burocratic ass scratching red-tape is what we have here in Canada when it comes to rescues apparently because that is all that happened. A life could have been saved if they would have known what they were doing in the first place and responded appropriately. How do I know? I FELT Lucie die. I FELT her take her last breath, her last gasp for air. If they would have had the proper equipment in there sooner and had not stopped, and if they would have let volunteers in, she would still be alive. She’d be in bad shape, but she’d be alive. As for Dolores, she was dead not long after the whole thing happened.

    The owners of the mall knew about the condition of the building and the parking lot when they bought it off the previous owners. I have it on good authority that the roof was leaking and the parking lot had problems as early as 1 year after it was built. 30 years of leaky roof + salt = DISASTER & DEATH. Unfortunately, if it wasn’t for the deaths of the people trapped in that building, nothing would be done to prevent something like this from happening again. That is in regards to the state of the building and parking lot, and to the state of the rescue crews. Everyone will learn from this and the appropriate people will be fined and or lose their jobs and or be jailed. The engineering company responsible in the construction of the Algo Centre Mall should also be held accountible.

    There are too many people to blame in this never-ending political, burocratical, corporate, authoritarian “game” of theirs.

    I feel for the families of those who lost their lives in this disaster. I am personally involved in this, as one of the dead is a relative of my husband. This is why I am so passionate about this issue. I have been to that mall, and I have parked on that roof, and I have walked over that piece of parking lot which came crashing down on Saturday.

    Here is a link to the other thread on this subject:
    Two bodies pulled from Elliot Lake Algo Centre Mall Collapse Victims: Dolores Perizzolo (Dumas) and Lucie Aylwin Wednesday, July 27, 2012

    I have lots more to say on this subject, however, I want to wait until there is more news on other victims/survivors, or until the coroner reports are released.
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    Re: Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012

    Another good quote:

    Good lord! Don’t the Emergency Measures people know that rescuers are supposed to risk their lives to save others? Quitting because of danger is like soldiers refusing to fight for fear they might be hurt. - Peter Worthington, Toronto Sun
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    Re: Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012

    I've been following this on the news for the past few days, this is terrible how they delayed going in to save those people. The took the 19 hours to make the decision to get the proper equipment out to remove the bodies. I believe this allowed the people trapped to die.

    The excuse was that it wasn't safe to go in to the building. That is why you signed up to be a rescuer to go into unsafe situations and remove people from the unsafe situations. Otherwise you can't call yourself a rescuer. If you only rescue people from safe situations then you are not rescuing them at all, are you? This is equal to saying that they only go into safe buildings and rescue people from safe situations.

    How sad that all this red tape probably cost these women their lives. Time will tell!
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    That's just terrible. where were these people's heads? It shouldn't matter whether it's 1 life or 1000 lives, these people should have been doing everything possible, that includes the use of local volunteers. Absolutely abhorrent, and inexcusable.

    Those poor women, and what they must have gone through, the suffering for days for at least the 1 lady from what I understand.
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    Re: Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012

    June 29, 2012 2:09 am

    It has now been 5 ½ days since the disastrous roof cave-in at the Algo Centre Mall in Elliot Lake Ontario, a northern town that was at one time a mining town.

    The police are stating that if there is found to be negligence in this case, there may be charges laid. The owner of the mall, an Iranian born Bob Nazarian, refused to travel to the town for fear of his life as his lawyer Antoine Rene Fabris mentioned he had received numerous death threats from townspeople. Mr. Fabris, a resident of Elliot Lake, got very angry today with fellow citizens and stated “My family was in the mall when it collapsed.” And went on to say "If I had thought that there was any danger, I certainly would not have put my family in harm's way."

    The true nature of a lawyer, eh? Of course HE couldn’t have known how bad it was, he’s a lawyer, not a structural engineer.

    In any case, the inspectors did NOT do their jobs properly. The original engineers who designed this fiasco of a building did not account for enough weight and shift, nor did they account for the fact that SALT would be used on the parking lot in this Northern Ontario town where they receive massive amounts of snow each winter. According to one of the contractors that was hired to fix the parking lot, there should have been some sort of membrane separating the cement from the steel beams underneath, but there was not. He did say that at the time the building was erected that such things were not commonplace to use, but HE was getting ready to put one in place when he was fired off the job and another contractor hired.

    Another contractor hired? Why on earth would that happen? Did Mr. Nazarian not want to pay the little bit extra for the extra protection so that a disaster such as this may have been prevented? Is this all about being cheap? Bob Nazarian or one of his people had made claims that he had spent over 1 million dollars in repairs to the complex since purchasing it back in 2005. Yet, there is NO evidence of any types of repair aside from some minor asphalt, or tarring repairs to the roof’s parking lot. That is NOT building maintenance. That is pure negligence and arrogance, and I hope he is charged because of it.

    Not only is Mr. Nazarian and Eastwood Malls Inc. responsible for this tragic event, any and all of the inspectors, as well as those within the Ministry of Labor who had assessed the scene prior to this occurrence, are also responsible for the deaths of at least 2 people.

    HUSAR, and their crew, their engineer, the engineer from the ministry, the police, and any other rescue attendees were also responsible for the deaths, or at least 1 of them. 1 person could have and should have been saved. Had the burocratic red-tape not prevented action from happening in the rescue attempts, there may very well have been 1 life saved in this situation.

    We’ve got reports of the HUSAR team stating they were pulling out and turning the scene over to the local authorities. In other words, leaving and can do no more for the rescue effort. Then, only after Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty was called and had special equipment brought in to do the job right, it was said, something along the lines of, ‘we were never going to leave, we were only pulling back to reassess the situation’. Yeah right, they said they were done with it, washing their hands of it, and then, to cover their butts, turn around and say ‘we never said that’. Typical.

    Lucy Aylwin's fiance, Gary Gendron had told reporters that when the families were informed of the deaths "they were at peace" and "they did not suffer". I understand that the typical thing to say to put minds at ease is to say they did not suffer, but come on, really? 1 of them, Dolores, may or may not have suffered, but the other one, Lucie, DID suffer. How can you say she didn't suffer when she was alive Monday morning and a day later she was pulled out dead? SHE suffered, there is no doubt about that.

    The bodies are in the hands of the coroners now, and an autopsy will determine when and how they died.

    The media is scheduled to be leaving Elliot Lake late next week, I am assuming that is when the funerals will be, but I have not heard any news on that yet. When I hear, I may make plans to head on up there.

    As for the investigation into what happened, the status of the building, what reports had been filed each time inspectors were there, what repairs were actually done, whether or not there was actually 1 million dollars spent on repairs, etc, will all be looked into over the course of the next few months. We may not hear anything on what criminal charges may be, or what will be done in the case of an emergency such as this, or anything else that surrounds this case for many months now. I will be awaiting that information.

    I am outraged, the town is outraged and in a state of flux with their emotions. This whole scenario could have been prevented, but it wasn’t.

    There were also comments from some of the people following this story about how Nazarian only owned the mall since 2005, so how can he be held at fault, it’s the fault of the previous owners. I have this to say, it’s the same buying a place of business as it is when you buy a house, you have it inspected, and if you sign the OK and say yep I’ll take it, no matter what the condition is, YOU take on ALL responsibility for anything that is wrong with that building or property. The onus is shifted from one owner to another. Yes, I agree that the previous owners neglected the building, but they did not own it when it collapsed, Eastwood owned it, and they are responsible for not taking proper care and making sure any problems were fixed.

    The leaks were there through that roof from the parking lot since approximately 1 year after it first opened. You have a little over 30 years of salt and water damage.

    This needs to be a lesson to the world, not just Elliot Lake, not just Ontario, and not just Canada.

    The town of Elliot Lake will never be the same. The people will never be the same. This event changed the lives of those in the town, as well as the rest of the country.

    I’m sure there’ll be more to come on this.
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    Re: Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012

    Any word on the coroner's report? I haven't been able to find anything on it?
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    Re: Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012

    The crews on the the scene needed those people to die. It was all for political gain. It reminds me of the princess Diana in the tunnel incident, and how they allowed her to die and quarantined off the area to make sure that rescue crews could not enter until she was dead. What do these political fatcats have to gain from this? What laws will be passed because of this. Whats the solution that is pre-planned from this problem? That is to say, once a problem such as this had "naturally" occurred, a solution was long thought of before hand.

    Stephen Harper sending in the military was simply to subdue any what may have been unruly crowds; it was not for anything to do with “rescue”. In fact, military being sent in to perform rescue operations would have only made the situation worse and the building would have collapsed for sure.

    As of Friday June 29th, the bodies as well as the autopsy reports have been turned over to the families from the coroner. However, the coroner is not finished their official investigation into the deaths of 2 female victims of the Satruday June 23rd 2012 partial roof collapse in Elliot Lake.

    Also on Friday, after earlier in the week when reporters were told to file a freedom of information act request, one reporter did just that, and she had the OPP called on her by the staff at the Elliot Lake Town Hall. Police had to respond, however before leaving the scene, told the clerks that this type of call does not warrant an emergency call to police. City Hall issued a statement later that day stating the the reports were allowed to be viewed by investigators who are looking into the incident.

    Here’s the snippet from the National Post:
    A reporter who tried to file a Freedom of Information request for documents related to the Algo Centre Mall at Elliot Lake City Hall on Friday was told to leave the building immediately.
    When Global News reporter Jennifer Tryon asked why, staff at the city hall in northeast Ontario called the police.
    “Tried to file [a] Freedom of Information request at #Elliot Lake city hall, was told “leave immediately,” Ms. Tryon wrote on Twitter. “I asked why, they called the OPP.”
    City clerks felt “somewhat intimidated by the insistent nature of the request being made,” Ontario Provincial Police Constable Marc Despatie told the National Post.
    “They decided to call the police and we’re duty-bound to respond.”
    Shortly after the incident, the city of Elliot Lake issued a two-line statement that said any documents related to Algo Centre Mall “are now part of ongoing investigations.”
    “The City is providing these documents to investigators,” the statement said.

    Sure, tell the people to file the proper papers to access the information they are told they can have access to and then call police on them and tell them to leave. Ya, that makes sense. So, what’s REALLY going on here? What are they trying to hide? The clerks were acting under orders of their superiors, namely, that would make the boss Rick Hamilton. What the hell is going on in this small town? What corruption is being covered up? There must be some, otherwise why all the secrecy?

    Brian England, a former manager of the Algo Centre Mall, said he was with Nazarian when he was told what could possibly happen if the mall’s roof did not undergo the proper repairs.
    From CBC News:
    “The architect plain and simply told Mr. Nazarian that if he didn’t proceed with these repairs,” said England, “that we could find that his structure was at the point of deterioration that it possibly could collapse. It was that clear.”
    "The whole mall was held together with Band-Aids and duct tape," said England, one of five mall managers since Nazarian bought the mall in 2005. "We had the opportunity to do it up right, but he chose to do it on the cheap, or not at all," said England.
    And of course, when Bob Nazarian was contacted by reporters about this, he refused to comment. Typical. Besides, his lawyer is making sure he doesn’t say anything so that there is no chance for him to implicate himself in the matter.
    And now, there are reports surfacing of another search and rescue team on the scene. Another team? How can that be? You must mean the volunteers, right? Wrong. Not the volunteers from the community. Another team was called in from Ottawa almost immediately following the cave-in. But they were NOT allowed past the tape and the police officers. Yet, they brought along all the equipment necessary for such an operation to secure the unstable structure and actually do a proper rescue.

    This is a team that has worked all around the world in disasters. They were there when 9/11 happened, and they were there when the earthquake happened in Haiti, and for countless other disasters. But when it came to the lives in Elliot Lake, they were told to go home, and they were not allowed in the structure. Does that make any sense to anyone? It certainly doesn’t make any sense to me.

    I’m honestly beginning to believe they WANTED the people trapped in there to die. This turned into a political gain for someone, and at this point, that would be McGinty. HUSAR (Heavy Urban Search And Rescue), is a team of non-experienced yet well practiced, from what I understand ex-cops, and only do what their commanding officers tell them to do. And in this case, their commanding officers told them to leave and to not immediately call in the proper help from the start.
    And then you have Stephen Harper who wanted to send in the military. What the hell were the military going to do? I’ll tell you what, they were going to be sent in to control the unruly public and keep them “out of the way” with force. The ONE good move made in this situation was to say NO to the military assistance.
    There was nothing the military could possibly do to aid the efforts of rescue. They didn’t need to be involved.

    Apparently there are 5 HUSAR teams across Canada, and I bet you none of them have any of the experience necessary to deal with an actual rescue mission. These are government run, government funded “rescue” teams in case of an emergency. And that would explain why they didn’t actually perform a rescue. They take their orders from their commanding officer(s), and so when push comes to shove, they don’t actually DO anything, at least until they get approval to do so. They would seem to be “front” companies to make the public feel safe in the case of an actual emergency, but they proved with this case that they are useless and therefore should not be in existence. There are many other crews out there that ARE trained, and ARE experienced, and ARE capable of doing what needs to be done in unsafe conditions in order to perform proper search and rescue; such as the team from Ottawa, who were there, with the proper equipment, but on stand-by.

    This was clearly a political fiasco which was allowed to happen on many levels of the government. I’m not claiming ‘conspiracy’ here, but there certainly are a lot of fishy things associated with this event; and as time goes on, more and more information is surfacing to point to cover-up and government gain, in one way or another. Mark my words, there will be some major changes in laws and such regarding rescue in this country very soon because of this.
    Although this fatal cave-in was not planned, it was allowed to happen. A partial roof collapse at the Algo Centre Mall in Elliot Lake, should have, and could have been prevented. The whole town knew that mall was a death trap, they just didn’t know when to expect it. And because the mall was the only source for buying such things like socks and underwear, and according to one woman, children’s clothing, the people still went to that mall. For others, it was their businesses, their livelihood to be in that mall every day. Most people in the town, had no choice but to be in that death-trap, rapidly decaying, constantly leaking building on a daily basis. And now, 300 people are out of work.

    The Sobey’s owned Foodland store, one of the 2 only grocery stores in the town, was also in the Algo Centre. Foodland owner has agreed to pay his employees up to 6 months of wages while the store looks for a new location to open up business once again. The owner of Foodland does not want to be in a mall again where something like this may happen in the future. I can’t blame him. I wouldn’t want to be in that kind of a situation either. Even though the part of the mall the Foodland was in was unaffected by the roof collapse, it IS in the mall and the entire Algo Centre Mall is under quarantine until a full investigation has been completed into why this was allowed to happen.

    Funeral plans have been announced for Doloris Perizzolo (the second victim/body pulled from the wreckage). Here is a link where you can go for the obituary for Doloris, as well as leave your condolences, or read others’ condolences. Doloris Perizzolo -0001--0001| Elliot Lake Funeral Chapel & Cremation Centre Visitation will be Tuesday July 3rd 2012, from 2-4pm and 7-9pm. The mass will be held on Wednesday July 4th 2012, at 11am at Our Lady of Fatima Parish.
    The funeral plans for Lucie Aylwin have not yet been publicly announced. I will report more on that as I get the information, however, by that time, the funeral coverage may have already been all over the news.

    Again, just to get some of this information out quickly, I will continue my coverage with the information that I have been gathering from a number of news agencies as well as through family and friends in and from Elliot Lake.
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    Re: Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Denise View Post
    Any word on the coroner's report? I haven't been able to find anything on it?
    We have not yet received any word on the coroner's report. We need to speak with the family to see if they will let us know. When we do, what can be posted will be posted.
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    Re: Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012

    Here are a few photos from BEFORE the roof collapse.

    Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012-mall-before2_crop-jpg
    Above, you can see the bricks falling apart above the entrance for Zellers. You can see the wall deteriorating.

    Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012-mall-before9_crop-jpg
    You can see that this support post is clearly rusted and weakened as a result.

    Elliot Lake Ontario Canada Algo Centre Mall Roof Collapses Saturday June 23rd 2012-mall-before18_crop-jpg
    This is part of the ceiling inside the mall where water would consistently leak through.

    (Photos by Bonnie Ladell, a local resident, and uploaded by Brandi Duquette on Facebook)

    The rest of the pictures can be found at the above Facebook link.
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